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Oatly: The New Coke?

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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

mcculley wrote: post #105
seanwilson wrote: post #76

"Made for humans" also draws attention to the fact that the milk you're drinking from a cow is not being drank by the offspring of that cow like it normally would and many people don't realise you have to keep making diary cows give birth to get more milk. Newly born male cows are usually turned into veal in a few weeks and female cows are separated from their mothers so they don't drink the valuable milk. Milk givin…

I hosted a meetup on “dairy tech”. Before the presentation, I think I had an implicit assumption that cattle raised for beef were treated poorly. I came away realizing that cattle used for milk production suffer more. In the most efficient dairies, they never leave their enclosure, are kept pregnant continuously via artificial insemination, and are injected with hormones.

I hope you realize that according to your description, there are very few of those "most efficient" dairies. For best milk production, the cows need to be kept happy and healthy. That means letting them have a place to go out of their barn, walk around, lay in the sun, etc. Also pumping them full of hormones is a thing of the past. Source: lived on a dairy farm all my life

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by gvjddbnvdrbv »

istjohn wrote: post #239
gvjddbnvdrbv wrote: post #20

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What actual proven health implications does cows milk have?

TFA links to this article which discusses the health pros and cons of cows milk: https://www.healthline.com/health/is-milk-bad-for-you

So unless you are allergic/intolerant or drink a vast amount there are no proven health risks. Indeed it is a healthy food.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by alz »

If you compare 100ml oatly to 100ml normal semi skimmed milk, it’s lower in calories, sugar, fat, has about 5 x less saturated fat, definitely doesn’t contain any hormones, antibiotics, casein, and probably doesn’t raise your igf1 either

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by kitbrennan »

azinman2 wrote: post #352
kitbrennan wrote: post #14

> anyone who's tried a latte with oat milk can attest it is by far the best tasting, most milk-like alternative That's quite a bold & generalising statement. Personally I think cashew nut milk is the most milk-like alternative in terms of flavour and mouthfeel.

Personally I agree with that statement (for oatly), having tried every alternative milk including cashew nut. If there’s a specific brand you recommend I’m happy to try.

I'd recommend trying the Rude Health brand.

Alternatively, making your own nut milk is super easy. Just soak the nuts in 4x amount of water overnight, then blend, then strain... done!

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by wst_ »

dunefox wrote: post #385
GuB-42 wrote: post #299

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That probably should be taught at school. That's the way farms work. Animals are slaughtered so you can eat them. The reason I think it should be taught at school is first because it basic knowledge. Farms employ a significant portion of the population of most countries, and that's what puts food on the table and keeps you alive. That's pretty important. Another reason is that school can teach that with a neutral poi…

It takes quite a lot of doublethink to mention respect and eating animals in the same sentence. And I say this as a meat eater as well (although I heavily reduced consumption of animal products in the last few months).

The thing is that you have to kill to eat. Doesn't really matter what do you eat - something has to die for you to live. When you realize that, it's much easier to treat not only cows but everything around you with respect. We've got this respect long time ago and we've forgot about it all after agricultural revolution. Kind of sad...

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by loceng »

yourkin wrote: post #388
loceng wrote: post #234

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Sugar and carbohydrates can severely negatively impact people, even in small amounts. "[INSERT FOOD] for some people is unhealthy at any amount" is what should be always said. People then have to determine what those foods and level of foods are, it could be accumulative as well - where too much of a few different foods may be too irritating to your system.

Cheese has a high tyrosine content and turkey -- tryptophan. Should one always mention that those foods could cause adverse effects for people who are sensitive to those amino-acids? I think that's a bit over the top, like saying that walking is healthy, but not forgetting to mention, that it is not, for people with severe arthritis. That seems like a truism to me and if one has those type of ailments, they most like…

Do we ideally want an educated, self-aware population who have a better chance of self-regulating - or the opposite? Similarly do we want discourse to be more lazy and simplified or to be more detailed When is it coddling, when is it laziness?

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by lambdaba »

luckman212 wrote: post #220
lambdaba wrote: post #205

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Quoting this study https://actascientific.com/ASNH/pdf/ASNH-02-0083.pdf (note: I get an error opening the PDF) > Extra virgin olive oil (EVOO) yielded low levels of polar compounds and oxidative by-products, in contrast to the high levels of by-products generated for oils such as canola oil. But I formed my position from many other points, the degradation in public health in the USA has tracked perfectly with the swi…

Any idea where I can find that study? The link above is dead. I have been using Canola oil for frying because I thought it was a neutral tasting oil that didn't produce as many toxic compounds when exposed to high heat—vs olive oil which purportedly did produce them. Seems I've been misinformed.

Here's an article that makes the same point with a great overview of the underlying mechanisms: https://breaknutrition.com/omega-6-fatty-acids-alternative-h...

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by seanwilson »

wst_ wrote: post #425
dunefox wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes quite a lot of doublethink to mention respect and eating animals in the same sentence. And I say this as a meat eater as well (although I heavily reduced consumption of animal products in the last few months).

The thing is that you have to kill to eat. Doesn't really matter what do you eat - something has to die for you to live. When you realize that, it's much easier to treat not only cows but everything around you with respect. We've got this respect long time ago and we've forgot about it all after agricultural revolution. Kind of sad...

We don't need to kill cows to live though so in what way is it respectful treatment to kill something to eat when you don't need to?

Could you explain what you mean without using the word "respect" so I can understand your definition of it?

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