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Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by MattGaiser »

actuator wrote: post #90
MattGaiser wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Apple moving to India? https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/03/six-apple-product... I suspect that Apple is moving away from China, but the reality is that doing so takes time.

That is most probably Apple doing diversification to avoid SPoF and taking advantages of tax breaks. They will never stand up for these things because they don't just manufacture, they sell a lot of devices there.

Why does the reason matter? Pulling production is pulling production.

We are better off letting companies quietly pull out than starting big rights that fundamentally hurt Western firms.

Let them quietly move towards the exits.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by jessaustin »

ssalazar wrote: post #96
throwaway-semi wrote: post #36

Why are we empowering this regime? Shouldn't we force companies like Apple to make a statement of why they manufacture their goods in China? Apple is happy make a statement about BLM - it is cheap, doesn't cost them anything. But when it comes to things that actually harm profits and challenge shareholder responsibilities, they stay mum. We need to force Apple (and other giant corporations) to speak up about atrociti…

> But when it comes to things that actually harm profits and challenge shareholder responsibilities, they stay mum. Cynical but this is why- it would cost them a lot , at least today. The Chinese government has zero reservations about sandbagging US corporations that publicly critique it or otherwise don't fall in line - just ask Google, Facebook, or the Houston Rockets. You wont hear a peep out of Apple until they'r…

If any firm in history has ever been rich enough to weather a bit of a business setback, surely Apple would be?

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

tedhuang wrote: post #70
lifeformed wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1956, the CPC "encouraged citizens to express openly their opinions of the communist regime" and then "after this brief period of liberalization, ... those who were critical of the regime and its ideology ... were rounded up in waves by the hundred of thousands, publicly criticized, and condemned to prison camps for re-education through labor, or even execution." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campa…

another man's word: Law & Order

The guy has the launch codes and is a derelict amphetamine addict.

I know, because I have been one myself on and off for 20 years.

I know what I'm seeing.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by xenihn »

zozin wrote: post #42

The thought of living in a China-centric world during the twilight of my life on Earth (2050+) makes my hair stand on end. I do not want to be treated as a second class human because of the color of my skin or my ethnicity. I do not want to lose business and professional opportunities because I am not Han. I do not want to live in a world where freedom of speech and expression are long lost memories, where even the r…

I don't believe the odds of China #1 are 100%, but...

>I do not want to lose business and professional opportunities because I am not Han.

I don't think this will be as big of a problem as you expect it to be. Do you have any western Han friends who do business in China? Being Han isn't going to stop others from trying to screw you over, even if you aren't Western.

If you're actually worried, then your main concern should be learning Mandarin.

I think only a few demographics will experience the racism that you fear.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by knzhou »

ffggvv wrote: post #100
knzhou wrote: post #92

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This is the kind of comment that makes me know there's no hope for HN. The color of your skin has bought you a lot. When you were a kid, my parents were making a dollar a day. When your parents were kids, my grandparents were facing famine. Now, finally, for the first time in all of modern history, a large group of non-white people has escaped crushing poverty. They're not rich by any means. You'd still be richer tha…

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Before I answer that, you are aware that we casually started two wars last decade that directly killed 200,000 innocent civilians, right? And that we reliably do that every other decade?

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by ken47 »

ffggvv wrote: post #100
knzhou wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the kind of comment that makes me know there's no hope for HN. The color of your skin has bought you a lot. When you were a kid, my parents were making a dollar a day. When your parents were kids, my grandparents were facing famine. Now, finally, for the first time in all of modern history, a large group of non-white people has escaped crushing poverty. They're not rich by any means. You'd still be richer tha…

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Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but the poster is not defending those things.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by Reelin »

knzhou wrote: post #92
zozin wrote: post #42

The thought of living in a China-centric world during the twilight of my life on Earth (2050+) makes my hair stand on end. I do not want to be treated as a second class human because of the color of my skin or my ethnicity. I do not want to lose business and professional opportunities because I am not Han. I do not want to live in a world where freedom of speech and expression are long lost memories, where even the r…

This is the kind of comment that makes me know there's no hope for HN. The color of your skin has bought you a lot. When you were a kid, my parents were making a dollar a day. When your parents were kids, my grandparents were facing famine. Now, finally, for the first time in all of modern history, a large group of non-white people has escaped crushing poverty. They're not rich by any means. You'd still be richer tha…

> if you sink to the 90th percentile of privilege from the 99th, you'll become a "second class human"

That isn't what the person you're responding to said at all. They were observing the discrimination against those who are not Han in China and extrapolating that it would apply to them as well in a China-centric world.

They don't want to be discriminated against. That's all that's being said. (Well also they're saying that they appreciate freedom of speech and some other stuff that China seems to be diametrically opposed to, but you didn't respond to that so I guess it's not relevant to my comment.)

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by ffggvv »

throwaway77643 wrote: post #76
actuator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't see any change that can realistically take roots there. We have seen harsh sanctions fail to bring changes in a small poor country like NK where anyone looking South must be amazed at where they could have been. In case of PRC, forget a kinetic physical action. Their economy is so interconnected with every other major economy that no one can afford even actual sanctions.

In the 1920s, I don’t think any person could have imagined the progress in Civil Rights that would occur in America. And yet it happened. From racist Jim Crow laws to Gay Rights, the progress made in 100 years is astonishing. Give the PRC 100 years and who knows how it might change.

yes because we have democracy, a constitution, and a working court system and free speech.

china has none of that

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by Aunche »

throwaway-semi wrote: post #36

Why are we empowering this regime? Shouldn't we force companies like Apple to make a statement of why they manufacture their goods in China? Apple is happy make a statement about BLM - it is cheap, doesn't cost them anything. But when it comes to things that actually harm profits and challenge shareholder responsibilities, they stay mum. We need to force Apple (and other giant corporations) to speak up about atrociti…

Apple has spoken extensively about why they choose to manufacture in China.

https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/apple-ceo-tim-cook-this-...

If you had to quantify how much Apple supporting BLM has helped decrease racism, it's probably very close to zero. Voicing their support for Hong Kong would accomplish even less. Why would they jeopardize potential billions of dollars to do so?

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