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Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by actuator »

throwaway-semi wrote: post #36

Why are we empowering this regime? Shouldn't we force companies like Apple to make a statement of why they manufacture their goods in China? Apple is happy make a statement about BLM - it is cheap, doesn't cost them anything. But when it comes to things that actually harm profits and challenge shareholder responsibilities, they stay mum. We need to force Apple (and other giant corporations) to speak up about atrociti…

I share your sentiment on this. Among all the big tech, Apple is the only one which has a significant foothold in China and can possibly have an impact. But they have failed to live upto the ideals they speak about when it comes to earning easy money. BLM is easy to speak about and acts as good marketing for them.

At least at one point Google stood up for its ideals and quit Search in PRC, which I highly respect. With the criticism Google gets(some rightly so) and the stuff Apple gets away with, I wonder if they look to Apple and see the easy money they left on the table.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by MattGaiser »

throwaway-semi wrote: post #36

Why are we empowering this regime? Shouldn't we force companies like Apple to make a statement of why they manufacture their goods in China? Apple is happy make a statement about BLM - it is cheap, doesn't cost them anything. But when it comes to things that actually harm profits and challenge shareholder responsibilities, they stay mum. We need to force Apple (and other giant corporations) to speak up about atrociti…

Isn't Apple moving to India?

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/03/six-apple-product...

I suspect that Apple is moving away from China, but the reality is that doing so takes time.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by skissane »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #34
darksaints wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have never invaded any countries for purely human-rights oriented reasons. There is always a larger element of preservation of power structures and capture of wealth. But both of those reasons would also align with an intervention in China. The true answer to why we haven't intervened is both mundane and terrifying: China has nuclear weapons.

Even without the nukes, there is no practical way for the U.S. to project enough force to China to compel it to do anything. The Chinese people would not likely thank us for doing so if we tried. Not only that, it would be grossly disproportionate considering there are hundreds of millions of people in dozens of countries living under authoritarian rule elsewhere. All those states combined would probably make a softe…

What would happen if the US redeployed troops to Taiwan, and announced it was recognising it as an independent state?

Beijing would be forced into a very difficult position - attack US forces in Taiwan, leading to massive military escalation, or lose face by allowing the US and Taiwan to call Beijing’s bluff

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by chloerei »

As a Chinese, I think it is reasonable to arrest a leader who violated the national security law.

Think of a US media tycoon who went to China to meet with the Secretary of State, used the media to incite riots in his country, appeared on the streets of protest, and publicly called on China to intervene in the United States. What are the consequences of this?

Please read more media from a different standpoint and think about this event in another way.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by smt88 »

zozin wrote: post #42

The thought of living in a China-centric world during the twilight of my life on Earth (2050+) makes my hair stand on end. I do not want to be treated as a second class human because of the color of my skin or my ethnicity. I do not want to lose business and professional opportunities because I am not Han. I do not want to live in a world where freedom of speech and expression are long lost memories, where even the r…

Where do you live now?

I think that war is much more likely than a peaceful transition to a China-centric world.

I also don't think that war will be a "hot" conflict. China's economy would collapse if the developed world abandoned it.

What will continue is the "cold wars" being waged right now through the internet. Russia, China, and Iran are all actively trying to destabilize the US. All have had some success, with Russia seemingly having the most success (although the relevant intelligence briefings are still classified for now).

There's no reason for countries successfully waging digital wars (with no casualties or loss of business) to suddenly start firing missiles in a world of mutually-assured destruction.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by tedhuang »

krtkush wrote: post #75
tedhuang wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol There lots of messages on Chinese social media criticize CPC eg. Weibo and Toutiao. Unless it is something really absurd no one will come after you

The thing is one does not know if they'll come or not. That is not the point. There is a general fear amongst the people that they'll be targeted for speaking out. Effectively blocking freedom of speech.

That's a false statement. There is general understanding one will only be questioned if the misinformation has caused a significant financial or social impact.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by thaumasiotes »

khuey wrote: post #37
thaumasiotes wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China has pressed charges against an American citizen who lives in America for conduct that took place in the United States. > R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty This reminds me of our arrest (well, Canada's arrest at our demand) of Meng Wanzhou.

It really shouldn't. She's alleged to have committed bank fraud against American banks. Bank fraud is a crime everywhere.

She's alleged to have been an officer in a company that disobeyed American prohibitions on trade with Iran.

Calling it "bank fraud" is just a way of avoiding the question of what she did that was wrong. Who's arresting Anish Kapoor and his co-conspirators for committing fraud against Stuart Semple?

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by ffggvv »

MattGaiser wrote: post #82
throwaway-semi wrote: post #36

Why are we empowering this regime? Shouldn't we force companies like Apple to make a statement of why they manufacture their goods in China? Apple is happy make a statement about BLM - it is cheap, doesn't cost them anything. But when it comes to things that actually harm profits and challenge shareholder responsibilities, they stay mum. We need to force Apple (and other giant corporations) to speak up about atrociti…

Isn't Apple moving to India? https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/03/six-apple-product... I suspect that Apple is moving away from China, but the reality is that doing so takes time.

moreso because they sense the us govt stopping them. not because they have moral qualms

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by aww_dang »

082349872349872 wrote: post #69
aww_dang wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the historical record, an implosion of the CCP and infighting seems equally likely.

I remember both "islamofascism" and "weapons of mass destruction". Those were not only historical, they were even this century.

I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment.

The problem with whataboutism is that even if you can establish equivalence (you haven't) it doesn't refute the underlying statement.

Furthermore, in this case it may assume that I have some desire to defend the US's former middle eastern policy. It is not impossible to dislike both in varying degrees.

Although it is illogical, it is an effective way to derail the discussion. I admit that much.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by actuator »

MattGaiser wrote: post #82
throwaway-semi wrote: post #36

Why are we empowering this regime? Shouldn't we force companies like Apple to make a statement of why they manufacture their goods in China? Apple is happy make a statement about BLM - it is cheap, doesn't cost them anything. But when it comes to things that actually harm profits and challenge shareholder responsibilities, they stay mum. We need to force Apple (and other giant corporations) to speak up about atrociti…

Isn't Apple moving to India? https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/03/six-apple-product... I suspect that Apple is moving away from China, but the reality is that doing so takes time.

That is most probably Apple doing diversification to avoid SPoF and taking advantages of tax breaks. They will never stand up for these things because they don't just manufacture, they sell a lot of devices there.
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