Live data from Hacker News

Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

reuters.com

61–70 of 372 posts

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#61

This is crazy. First the Muslim concentration camps, now this. Why won't the Western world impose any serious sanctions against China? We have invaded others countries for less

Wait until you hear about organs collected 'on demand'.

Yet NBA players now bow to China and Hollywood goes to great length to make their movies as little offending to China as possible.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#62
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't see any change that can realistically take roots there. We have seen harsh sanctions fail to bring changes in a small poor country like NK where anyone looking South must be amazed at where they could have been. In case of PRC, forget a kinetic physical action. Their economy is so interconnected with every other major economy that no one can afford even actual sanctions.

The most practical outcome seems to be a gradual emigration of all the HK citizens to the UK/other countries. I can imagine citizens forming networks where they would warn each other of an upcoming arrest so their friends/family would scurry out of the country. I am hopeful that the sheer number of citizens in HK would perhaps lead to the city retaining some of its independence. We can't predict the future... who kno…

Some professions like teacher are tough to find a similar role in other country. Different qualication, teaching language and teaching method they have to accomendate. It's a tough call to them.

For IT profession though, it's more flexible. Personally, I have worked in a multi-nation develop team, and the experience is good.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#63

This is crazy. First the Muslim concentration camps, now this. Why won't the Western world impose any serious sanctions against China? We have invaded others countries for less

> We have invaded others countries for less

Countries that didn’t have nuclear weapons and ICBMs

It is like asking why the US never invaded the Soviet Union. There was a window in the second half of the 1940s it might have been achievable without global thermonuclear war, albeit a war-weary world that had just endured the biggest war in human history didn’t have the appetite for that

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#64
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without the nukes, there is no practical way for the U.S. to project enough force to China to compel it to do anything. The Chinese people would not likely thank us for doing so if we tried. Not only that, it would be grossly disproportionate considering there are hundreds of millions of people in dozens of countries living under authoritarian rule elsewhere. All those states combined would probably make a softe…

You'd think? The US is the only nation that is in a position to do anything about it. While sanctions won't compel the CCP, it could hurt them enough to prevent further cementing their hegemony.

> Just try US sanctions and pushing the EU, Australia, Japan, Canada not to conduct any business with China.

You dont to sanctions to countries that provide most of your goods without a viable alternative. Sanctionning Iran does not change your daily life. Sanctionning China would suddenly make a large impact as to what you can actually buy and at what price.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

War is unlikely because of mutual destruction guaranteed by Nuclear weapons. What's most likely is information erosion, brain washing, espionage and political upheaval caused by CCP actors. Be careful what you write on the internet. You'll see the full wrath of CCP cancel culture like you've never seen before in the year 2050. Also, keep an eye on whichever country you belong to and how its government is not influenc…

War is almost guaranteed at this stage.

Why?

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#66
post #12
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've claimed authority to extradite anyone (including non-Chinese citizens) under this new law.

That part is REALLY weird.

Isn’t that pretty standard?

For example, Julian Assange, Kim Dotcom, and Richard O'Dwyer were all prosecuted for crimes committed outside the US.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#67
post #4

As an anecdote, someone I know is an immigrant from HK and has lived in the USA for many years, and this person is afraid of saying anything publicly against China out of fear. Fear for their family in China and fear for their personal safety even in the USA. Similar to how Russia murders defectors [0], it’s not a good idea to be an expat and criticize China. It is an authoritarian regime, bottom line. [0] https://en…

lol There lots of messages on Chinese social media criticize CPC eg. Weibo and Toutiao. Unless it is something really absurd no one will come after you

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#68
post #64
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd think? The US is the only nation that is in a position to do anything about it. While sanctions won't compel the CCP, it could hurt them enough to prevent further cementing their hegemony.

> Just try US sanctions and pushing the EU, Australia, Japan, Canada not to conduct any business with China. You dont to sanctions to countries that provide most of your goods without a viable alternative. Sanctionning Iran does not change your daily life. Sanctionning China would suddenly make a large impact as to what you can actually buy and at what price.

So we trade out future freedom for currently cheap goods? I'd rather buy stuff from Taiwan and other places in SE Asia.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#69
post #42

The thought of living in a China-centric world during the twilight of my life on Earth (2050+) makes my hair stand on end. I do not want to be treated as a second class human because of the color of my skin or my ethnicity. I do not want to lose business and professional opportunities because I am not Han. I do not want to live in a world where freedom of speech and expression are long lost memories, where even the r…

Looking at the historical record, an implosion of the CCP and infighting seems equally likely.

I remember both "islamofascism" and "weapons of mass destruction". Those were not only historical, they were even this century.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember during Beijing Olympics, there were these "protest zones" that were created which theoretically should have allowed dissent in these areas. A pass based system was introduced to get access to these places. I remember people who applied for passes getting rounded up by the police. https://www.hrw.org/news/2008/08/13/china-police-detain-woul...

In 1956, the CPC "encouraged citizens to express openly their opinions of the communist regime" and then "after this brief period of liberalization, ... those who were critical of the regime and its ideology ... were rounded up in waves by the hundred of thousands, publicly criticized, and condemned to prison camps for re-education through labor, or even execution." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campa…

another man's word: Law & Order
Post reply on HN