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Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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I remember during Beijing Olympics, there were these "protest zones" that were created which theoretically should have allowed dissent in these areas. A pass based system was introduced to get access to these places. I remember people who applied for passes getting rounded up by the police. https://www.hrw.org/news/2008/08/13/china-police-detain-woul...

Hitler also sent word that he supports restoration of the monarchy...only to kill those that agreed with that

Would love to read more about this if you have any sources.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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The thought of living in a China-centric world during the twilight of my life on Earth (2050+) makes my hair stand on end. I do not want to be treated as a second class human because of the color of my skin or my ethnicity. I do not want to lose business and professional opportunities because I am not Han. I do not want to live in a world where freedom of speech and expression are long lost memories, where even the rich and powerful have to pay fealty to the emperor or face the ultimate consequence. I do not want to live in a world of ultranationalism and jingoistic ethnocentrism, of repressive regimes that eliminate rights and protections on a whim. I don’t know what the solution is, I do not want war, but that is looking more inevitable than ever at this point.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Even without the nukes, there is no practical way for the U.S. to project enough force to China to compel it to do anything. The Chinese people would not likely thank us for doing so if we tried. Not only that, it would be grossly disproportionate considering there are hundreds of millions of people in dozens of countries living under authoritarian rule elsewhere. All those states combined would probably make a softe…

You'd think? The US is the only nation that is in a position to do anything about it. While sanctions won't compel the CCP, it could hurt them enough to prevent further cementing their hegemony.

Economic force is a completely different matter. It's basically orthogonal to nukes. Tbh I doubt that would work either, and it would hurt the West tremendously. But it's at least something that is not totally absurd on its face.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Why are we empowering this regime? Shouldn't we force companies like Apple to make a statement of why they manufacture their goods in China? Apple is happy make a statement about BLM - it is cheap, doesn't cost them anything. But when it comes to things that actually harm profits and challenge shareholder responsibilities, they stay mum. We need to force Apple (and other giant corporations) to speak up about atrociti…

Capitalism.

Who are the 'we' you're referring to. Why throw a specific company under the bus like that.

Consumers pay with their wallet - may I ask what phone you have? I bet more than half the things you own are made in China.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Why are we empowering this regime? Shouldn't we force companies like Apple to make a statement of why they manufacture their goods in China? Apple is happy make a statement about BLM - it is cheap, doesn't cost them anything. But when it comes to things that actually harm profits and challenge shareholder responsibilities, they stay mum. We need to force Apple (and other giant corporations) to speak up about atrociti…

Capitalism. Who are the 'we' you're referring to. Why throw a specific company under the bus like that. Consumers pay with their wallet - may I ask what phone you have? I bet more than half the things you own are made in China.

> Why throw a specific company under the bus like that.

I am sorry to throw a 1.9 trillion dollar company under the bus.

Yes, I own many made in China products. In fact, it is hard to find anything in my room that's not made in China, including books and bunch of things that I wouldn't even know. Probably the bulb's phosphor coating is manufactured in China and so are the chemicals in my stomach acid tablets.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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The thought of living in a China-centric world during the twilight of my life on Earth (2050+) makes my hair stand on end. I do not want to be treated as a second class human because of the color of my skin or my ethnicity. I do not want to lose business and professional opportunities because I am not Han. I do not want to live in a world where freedom of speech and expression are long lost memories, where even the r…

War is unlikely because of mutual destruction guaranteed by Nuclear weapons.

What's most likely is information erosion, brain washing, espionage and political upheaval caused by CCP actors. Be careful what you write on the internet. You'll see the full wrath of CCP cancel culture like you've never seen before in the year 2050. Also, keep an eye on whichever country you belong to and how its government is not influenced by CCP. It might be a little too late for Australia [1].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/world/australia/politicia...

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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I really don't see any change that can realistically take roots there. We have seen harsh sanctions fail to bring changes in a small poor country like NK where anyone looking South must be amazed at where they could have been. In case of PRC, forget a kinetic physical action. Their economy is so interconnected with every other major economy that no one can afford even actual sanctions.

The most practical outcome seems to be a gradual emigration of all the HK citizens to the UK/other countries. I can imagine citizens forming networks where they would warn each other of an upcoming arrest so their friends/family would scurry out of the country. I am hopeful that the sheer number of citizens in HK would perhaps lead to the city retaining some of its independence. We can't predict the future... who kno…

It's too late for any of that now.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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This is crazy. First the Muslim concentration camps, now this. Why won't the Western world impose any serious sanctions against China? We have invaded others countries for less

>We have invaded others countries for less It's almost as if "democracy" wasn't the real reason for those invasions.

Or maybe it's a power differential thing. Say what you want but pretty happy with the US on Korea, Japan and Germany.

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Hitler also sent word that he supports restoration of the monarchy...only to kill those that agreed with that

Would love to read more about this if you have any sources.

Here's an interesting site if you have an interest in monarchism.

http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2011/11/enemy-of-monarchy-...

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