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Interview with Bill Gates on Covid, social media

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Re: Interview with Bill Gates on Covid, social media

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The part that saddens me is that when Gates and Trump meet, Trump recommends Robert F. Kennedy Jr. the horriblly misinformed anti-vaxer. This is terrible when a COVID-19 vaccine arrives. Shaking at my head at this anti-science president.

Why is criticism of Trump downvoted but any praise not?

Brigading ?

Re: Interview with Bill Gates on Covid, social media

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Everyone has a range of opinions and some of them will be factually/morally/logically/practically objectionable. The fact that Gates has an opinion that you, I or indeed everyone disagrees with is not interesting. What about "It’s insane how confused the trials here in the US have been."? That opinion is very important and has implications for how everyone here should act. The last 6 months have been expensively purc…

It does speak to why he's treated with so much distrust, as is discussed by other threads. Unlike the average person, Gates is someone who can actually make things happen with his incredible wealth. It suggests a form of paternalistic authoritarian attitude towards social issues that undeniably colors his attitude towards this pandemic. You can also read in his tone that he feels personally slighted by not being give…

If a student failed a biology class because his hyper-religious parents would beat him if he didn't, he still failed.

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Yes, objectively the evidence I've seen supports that HCL and zinc, if given early enough, improve the outcome for the patient. The media, which is mostly left leaning, ignores this and instead prefers to take cheap shots at Trump whenever possible on the subject. It seems very biased, very childish, and entirely divorced from reality - actually that more or less sums up the state of US politics lately.

In the above comment I'm advocating for honest debate, not HCL. That debate has of course not been particularly honest: amplifying the weakest proponents, fabrication of negative data with the Surgisphere scandal [1] and fixating on studies which don't replicate the claimed beneficial outpatient (pre-hospitalization) treatment processes (low-dose HCL, zinc, azithromycin). However none of that means HCL is actually ef…

I'd like to see people approach the debate with enough nuance to recognize that the science on recent topics is extremely flawed, and the trustworthiness of results is decreased significantly when it becomes politicized.

And honestly, doing placebo-controlled studies might be a colossal mistake. If people genuinely benefit from the placebo effect, it's a feature, not a flaw. If people get HCQ+Z-pac+zinc and recover then it's a victory either way. If people are incorrectly led to believe HCQ is poison and get a reverse-placebo effect then we're not really helping anyone, are we?

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It does speak to why he's treated with so much distrust, as is discussed by other threads. Unlike the average person, Gates is someone who can actually make things happen with his incredible wealth. It suggests a form of paternalistic authoritarian attitude towards social issues that undeniably colors his attitude towards this pandemic. You can also read in his tone that he feels personally slighted by not being give…

If a student failed a biology class because his hyper-religious parents would beat him if he didn't, he still failed.

And it's right to publicly shame him for that?

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He is easily one of the least bullshit-y sources when it comes to handling of COVID. But then there's this right in the middle of the interview: " And when you have [posts] encrypted, there is no way to know what it is. I personally believe government should not allow those types of lies or fraud or child pornography [to be hidden with encryption like WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger] ". Quite literally, encrypted comm…

What's frustrating about this question is that it (inevitably!) commands the top of the HN thread with a discussion of the least interesting thing in the article. It's an article about COVID and Facebook, and here we're recapitulating the end-to-end encryption debate for the 8-zillionth time.

Perhaps all top level comments could have a subject or title. It would be as if they were, themselves, submissions.

This is one of the things Slashdot did rather well with its categorization and ratings, though if that system were used then I’m sure everything would just be rated +5 Insightful with little signal over the noise.

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Yes, it's really weird, also that he is actually supporting the WHO financially. But here's the reality: U.S. doesn't spend enough to WHO (in fact now they even want to leave), so he gives them money - which is actually possible for everyone. Also Bill Gates wasn't the only "Cassandra", practically every popular science magazine (and probably also HN) has written about the possibility of a future pandemic since years…

> And yet, Government did nothing. That’s not true. GWB took it very seriously and put a plan in place. Obama modernized the plan. Trump is the one who ignored his predecessors and set the stage for the mess we are in. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/how-whi...

I believe you’re downvoted for mentioning politics but it is true. The US had an effective pandemic infrastructure, which got dismantled in 2018.

This isn’t unique to the US. Canada had an extremely effective pandemic forecasting agency. This got dismantled by two separate governments since 2014. I can’t find the article but the globe and mail had a big exposé.

The Atlantic article above is one of the top five articles I’ve read on the pandemic disaster and is worth reading.

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Gates is scared people are passing bad information through encrypted platforms such as whatsapp. Next, he will require 24/7 monitoring of every private citizen to make sure we don’t call him mean names.

I'm not convinced e2e encryption exists in WhatsApp. Every time I have conversations about products in whats app I get those products as adverts in Facebook.

I have had this happen without any devices nearby, consistently, meaning we must be chipped already.

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There's a lot to unpack in that quote and much of it is up to our interpretation. I feel that the following statements could both be true. 1. Social media platforms should be able to monitor what content users are sharing on these platforms. Therefore these platforms maybe shouldn't have end-to-end encryption. 2. People need to have access to encryption for their own usage outside of social media platforms. Where thi…

>>> Social media platforms should be able to monitor what content users are sharing on these platforms. Then you’re not a platform, you are a publisher and should be held accountable for what you choose to publish. A platform is literally that: a platform for use by users as they see intended. I’m not talking about trolls, spammers, hackers and those who post illegal content. When platforms move down to editorialize…

Interesting. Facebook did argue for being a publisher in one case so that they could limit their liability for defamation. But that move would then limit their protections as a platform (as mentioned by another user as a reply to your comment.)
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