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How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Related ... the last time I was in the market for a chest freezer (a "deep freeze") I wanted one that showed a log of temperature over time ... This, essentially, does not exist. It appears that there are laboratory freezers that support this (very simple) feature, but they are relatively small and very expensive . A better way to go is an electricity monitor on the plug, where you track electrical power over time an…

There are $10 battery operated thermometers on Amazon that give you a min and max recorded temp. That is all you need for safety.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freeze cup of water with some red food coloring in it. Turn upside down. If you ever come back to a freezer that looks like it’s covered in frozen blood you’ll know.

I always heard this as an upright cup of frozen water with a penny on top. If you come home and the penny is inside the ice you know the freezer went out.

Seems a bit easier than covering your freezer in red food coloring

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Personally, I throw blocks of dry ice in there as soon as the power has been out a few hours, just in case. Beats regular ice all the way.

How do you safely handle dry ice? I'm legitimately asking, I know retailers sell it with big warning labels but I wouldn't know how to transport it, move it, and similar.

I've handled it for decades.

First thing you do when you get your slab is that you wrap it in two towels, then you fold down the loose edges and pop that in a cooler. Towels towels towels, that's my go-to.

You can handle dry ice with your bare hands -- I have scores of times -- the trick is that contact with pressure (squeezing or weight) is what is going to give you frostbite. Otherwise, I have swiftly moved two pound chunks with bare hands if I were lazy. Any pair of winter or driving gloves is sufficient so long as the fingertips aren't open. Just leather gloves are dandy.

Now, if you're feeling fearful, you can drive with the windows down, but to be honest, carbon dioxide in too high of quantities will invoke a gasping/coughing reflex. You would have plenty of warning. You can verify this by putting a small chunk of dry ice in water, leaning over the cup, and inhaling. You'll cough, and that is the reflex to look far. It isn't shy about making itself known. I have driven around with fifty pounds of dry ice in coolers with no issues.

Now that you've driven home, you can take the dry ice, towels and all, and put one in the freezer, one or two in the fridge. Now, this stuff sublimates, so you won't have water everywhere, but don't worry about pressure building up in the two compartments, you'd have to use straps to hold the doors down tight enough to be an issue. I put the dry ice at the top of each compartment, as a trend.

It'll save your refrigerator's worth full of food.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Note, it doesn't just require an outage to stop the freezer working.

Many modern freezers ironically stop working properly under low (but above freezing) room temperatures encountered in unheated rooms (eg outbuildings, garages, etc) in colder climates.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Related ... the last time I was in the market for a chest freezer (a "deep freeze") I wanted one that showed a log of temperature over time ... This, essentially, does not exist. It appears that there are laboratory freezers that support this (very simple) feature, but they are relatively small and very expensive . A better way to go is an electricity monitor on the plug, where you track electrical power over time an…

You can pick up a cheap temperature logger:

http://www.elitechlog.com/rc-5usb-temperature-data-logger/

My apartment has what appears to be the worst refrigerator ever made. It's a cheap GE unit with a single temperature control. You have to choose between freezer burnt steaks or frozen milk. I used that temp logger to confirm what was going on.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Related ... the last time I was in the market for a chest freezer (a "deep freeze") I wanted one that showed a log of temperature over time ... This, essentially, does not exist. It appears that there are laboratory freezers that support this (very simple) feature, but they are relatively small and very expensive . A better way to go is an electricity monitor on the plug, where you track electrical power over time an…

My wife was convinced the refrigerator was failing so I bought a few sensor tags from wirelesstag.net [1] just to be sure. You can certainly build your own using off-the-shelf IOT devices, but for ~$35 you can have a device that senses temperature, humidity, light levels,and runs for several months off an easily replaced cr2032. Although to be fair you must buy a base sensor station for $39 along with the first tag.

Having said that, it definitely gives me peace of mind knowing that my fridge isn't going out and that I haven't left the door open, either.

Next on the agenda is using my smart home controller to adjust cooling temperature on my window unit based on ambient temperature in my bedroom.

https://store.wirelesstag.net/products/wireless-tag-als

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you safely handle dry ice? I'm legitimately asking, I know retailers sell it with big warning labels but I wouldn't know how to transport it, move it, and similar.

I've handled it for decades. First thing you do when you get your slab is that you wrap it in two towels, then you fold down the loose edges and pop that in a cooler. Towels towels towels, that's my go-to. You can handle dry ice with your bare hands -- I have scores of times -- the trick is that contact with pressure (squeezing or weight) is what is going to give you frostbite. Otherwise, I have swiftly moved two pou…

One note: if it behaves like dry ice in a cooler does, it can carbonate many of your food items. I've used dry ice on camping trips and ended up with carbonated fruit.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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It depends on the thermal mass of the contents, the effectiveness of the insulation, and the external ambient environmental temperature.

In real world use, it also generally depends on (1) how frequently and for how long you open it, and (2) whether it's top-loading (efficient) versus front-loading (inefficient).

Source: My venture custom designed and built a refrigeration circuit with autonomous electronic management from scratch over the last year or so, so have done numerous recent tests in this space. I also visited about 4 different fridge factories in Guangdong and spoke to their engineers, investigated the different available chemical coolants, relevant sensors, etc.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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You want the contents to remain BELOW 0C, not hovering at 0C while everything melts. You can do this by adding some salt-water bottles, which have a lower melting point, and will therefore absorb a lot of heat (heat of fusion) well below 0C. Eg add 250g salt/liter gives melting point of -18C. Of course you waste some space on useless salt water vs potable - maybe there are better alternatives, eg fruit juice? Milk? H…

Specific heat capacity:

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Water (liquid) - 4.80 J/g.K

Water (solid) - 2.108 J/g.K (transition 334 J/g)

Brine (liquid, 300g/L) - 2.48 J/g.K

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So 1 gram of water (s) going from -18C to 0C (liquid) is 373 J.

1 gram of brine (l) going from -18C to 0C is 44.64 J.

Seems like ice is a better choice? The phase transition requires a huge amount of energy.

Brine is 70% more dense than water, so if you do it by volume, one mL of brine would be 76 J, so better, but still only ~1/5 that of pure water.

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