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How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Personally, I throw blocks of dry ice in there as soon as the power has been out a few hours, just in case. Beats regular ice all the way.

How do you safely handle dry ice? I'm legitimately asking, I know retailers sell it with big warning labels but I wouldn't know how to transport it, move it, and similar.

Wear gloves, keep it in a paper bag or cardboard box, etc

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Personally, I throw blocks of dry ice in there as soon as the power has been out a few hours, just in case. Beats regular ice all the way.

How do you safely handle dry ice? I'm legitimately asking, I know retailers sell it with big warning labels but I wouldn't know how to transport it, move it, and similar.

Typically wherever you buy it they will have small Styrofoam coolers next to it. It typically comes sealed in thin plastic bags. Get it home, put on a glove, and throw it in your freezer. Any glove is fine as long as you're not standing there with it in your hand. There are several grocery stores that have it available here.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Related ... the last time I was in the market for a chest freezer (a "deep freeze") I wanted one that showed a log of temperature over time ... This, essentially, does not exist. It appears that there are laboratory freezers that support this (very simple) feature, but they are relatively small and very expensive . A better way to go is an electricity monitor on the plug, where you track electrical power over time an…

You could just freeze a cup of water, and then stick a penny in top of it. If you ever come back to find your penny embedded or at the bottom of the cup, you know your freezer thawed out at some point

Just make sure to cover the cup so the ice doesn't sublimate away.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Personally, I throw blocks of dry ice in there as soon as the power has been out a few hours, just in case. Beats regular ice all the way.

How do you safely handle dry ice? I'm legitimately asking, I know retailers sell it with big warning labels but I wouldn't know how to transport it, move it, and similar.

Wear gloves when handling it-- don't touch it with bare skin. Store it in insulated containers, but don't seal it in an airtight container. Maintain adequate ventilation. It will sink to the floor and displace oxygen.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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If you can restock the freezer with ice, you can keep it cold for several days easily. Spoken from experience, thanks PG&E.

Where do you get ice if you are out of power?

You can buy giant bags of ice really cheap at many gas stations, convenience stores, grocery stores, wallmart, etc.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Related ... the last time I was in the market for a chest freezer (a "deep freeze") I wanted one that showed a log of temperature over time ... This, essentially, does not exist. It appears that there are laboratory freezers that support this (very simple) feature, but they are relatively small and very expensive . A better way to go is an electricity monitor on the plug, where you track electrical power over time an…

Such data might be interesting to look at, but as long as the freezer does its job (aka keep everything stored within it fully frozen), what's the point in having that data?

So you know when that assumption is false.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Related ... the last time I was in the market for a chest freezer (a "deep freeze") I wanted one that showed a log of temperature over time ... This, essentially, does not exist. It appears that there are laboratory freezers that support this (very simple) feature, but they are relatively small and very expensive . A better way to go is an electricity monitor on the plug, where you track electrical power over time an…

Freeze cup of water with some red food coloring in it. Turn upside down. If you ever come back to a freezer that looks like it’s covered in frozen blood you’ll know.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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You want the contents to remain BELOW 0C, not hovering at 0C while everything melts. You can do this by adding some salt-water bottles, which have a lower melting point, and will therefore absorb a lot of heat (heat of fusion) well below 0C. Eg add 250g salt/liter gives melting point of -18C. Of course you waste some space on useless salt water vs potable - maybe there are better alternatives, eg fruit juice? Milk? H…

I'd have to do the calculations but wouldn't you be better off with a solution that just barely froze at freezer temps? Because of latent heat of melting? i.e. you want it to freeze--just at as low a temperature as possible given the freezer temperature.

Your basic point makes sense to me though of course thawing isn't even.

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Doing the calculation. It takes 334 joules to melt 1g of water vs. about 4 joules to raise that same gram of liquid water 1 degree. Freezer temp is supposed to be about -18 degrees Celsius.

So the latent heat of melting is a bigger deal than a few degrees of raising liquid temperature. So you should have ice packs maybe somewhere in the -10 degree range which is what I assume commercial ice packs do.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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Related ... the last time I was in the market for a chest freezer (a "deep freeze") I wanted one that showed a log of temperature over time ... This, essentially, does not exist. It appears that there are laboratory freezers that support this (very simple) feature, but they are relatively small and very expensive . A better way to go is an electricity monitor on the plug, where you track electrical power over time an…

Freeze cup of water with some red food coloring in it. Turn upside down. If you ever come back to a freezer that looks like it’s covered in frozen blood you’ll know.

I always heard this as an upright cup of frozen water with a penny on top. If you come home and the penny is inside the ice you know the freezer went out.

Re: How long does a freezer stay frozen when the power goes out?

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All else being the same, the more mass in in the freezer, the less that a given inflow of heat will warm it. If 10 heat units enter, they will warm 10 kg of uniform contents much less than 100kg.

If you have extra space, using it to store something dense that has a high specific heat and is inexpensive is easy: use ice. (Glaciers take a -long- time to melt!)

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