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Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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Real ID is very worrying and I’m hopeful that it eventually goes away as it keeps getting delayed.

I just cannot understand how you guys accept bad cops, bad healthcare, bad employment rights, bad social mobility, bad education and bad banks, but apparently national id is where you draw the line. Why didn't you draw the line before all this other stuff that is far behind much of Europe? ------ can't reply directly to the GDP comment as some cry baby has flagged my post and then a free speech loving mod has shadow-…

Hold up the US has some of the highest social modility in the devolved world. (20-40% of people will end up better than their parents)

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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Settlement between banks in the United States is astoundingly complicated, for (fascinating, terrifying) historical reasons. FedNow is a huge step towards fixing holes that private companies have been papering over for over two decades. Blatant self promotion: for anybody interested in learning more about the Automated Clearing House system (which FedNow will eventually supplement) and interbank settlement in general…

"Astoundingly" complicated???? ACH/NACHA isn't any more complicated than any other API. If anything it's easier than most if you're used to string processing, because the file format is just 80 character rows with 9 different types of rows starting with that numerical digit. The schema is well defined. In many cases a "transaction" is executed by simply FTPing an .ach file. What did you find so complicated?

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

#113
post #37

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Your Visa transactions are running through older TPF 360 assembler. Old isn't an excuse for bad.

It’s not bad. It is simply a product of its time: according to planet money in that 2013 piece, ACH batch processing runs only once per day and only during bank hours (no weekends, etc). Presumably, increasing that frequency would break something in the system or it would already have been done. In the ‘70s, no one predicted 24/7 banking or even ATMs let alone internet payments. I remember my father using an ATM for…

I think credit card transactions are even worse -- most transactions (besides authorizations) are also communicated via daily batch files, and there are several middlemen involved, with potential delays at each step. Hence "refunds usually show up in 5-7 days."

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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Nearly all first world countries enjoy instant payments at the point of sale and person to person. It boggles my mind that it has taken this long and a pandemic to even set the gears in motion, all while battling ridiculous levels of cheque and credit card fraud.

As a general rule, the US is terrible at a lot of first-world things for a good reason: because it was the first (or close). We have crappy old subways, airports, bridges, skyscrapers, and so on... because we built them early, versions 1.0. And they stuck around. Other countries had the luxuries of building their versions decades later, when the technology was 2.0 and 3.0 and so on. So the US is stuck with both old a…

Banking in general and international banking, predate the US

London, Glasgow, Budapest and Paris all have metro systems that predate the New York Subway

There are multiple bridges that are still in use that predate European colonization of North America

While the oldest airport is in the US, (College Park), Hamburg, Bucharest, Bremen, Rome, Amsterdam, Paris, Sydney all follow very shortly after

AFAICT Skyscrapers is really the only example you give where the US canonically built the v1.0

I think that there are probably other reasons, my suspicion is primarily rent seeking

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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Well, are we supposed to not resist this bad thing because there are other, worse things? That seems less than helpful.

I'm expecting you guys to give up on this, just like all the other stuff. Downvote away, but you've lost so many rights since the 1960s, with barely a peep.

Only on this over moderated site would you be downvoted for telling us the truth. America is in deep trouble. Why do tech companies know they can exploit most workers with their apps? America has way too many desperate people. Amazon, Uber, and the rest, know they will get hungry people to drive, and deliver food, to guys like the founder of this site. Oh yea, his “Insightful” writing is community college level, and lacks heart, or substance. But we lick his boots because we don’t want to offend the spoiled American? After all, we are all going to be at the rich boys club one day? To you that have that cushy tech job with just watch what happens when you hit fifty, or get eaten up by a monopoly. Why do I feel like 99% of you people actually think you will succeed in America? I guarantee it will be a handful out of thousands, unless you have the proverbial empathetic wealthy parent. Hacker News has become a place where wealthy boys can feel good about their lives, filled with delusional fan boys who believe they will be Zuck boys eventually. I was hellbanned for no good reason years ago, so you probably can’t read this, but I needed to write, even to know one. (Oh yea, ban a person from commenting. Don’t email him without permission, and degrade them with petty demands, especially without agreeing to any TOS. Hellbaning is caddy. I still read these comments daily, but quality is lacking. It seems like every comment is filtered for, what’s the word—-conformity? America was not built on Conformity!

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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post #9

> The rapid expenditure of COVID emergency relief payments highlighted the critical importance of having a resilient instant payments infrastructure with nationwide reach, especially for households and small businesses with cash flow constraints," The main issue with releasing cash as I understand it wasn’t that it wasn’t arriving fast enough; rather it was verifying the recipient was eligible and was who they say th…

> […] a national ID which I am more against the more I hear about […] The US already has a de facto one AFAICT: the Social Security Number (SSN). Unique to every individual, assigned from birth (or whenever applied for), and which never changes for the life of the person until they die. > Many countries issued such numbers for a singular purpose, but over time, they become a de facto national identification number. F…

Unique to every individual

Oh, wow. I laughed at that one.

Come work in healthcare IT, where in some geographies if you were to pick a group of 50,000 unique person records, you'd find that dozens, even hundreds, of people are using the same Social Security Number.

Sometimes you'll find eight or ten people with the same SSN in the same household. Or more often, several dozen unrelated people in the same state who have the same SSN because they all bought it from the same guy at the border.

Unique keys are a bitch in healthcare.

assigned from birth

Also nope.

I'm an American-born American citizen. I didn't get my Social Security number until I was 17.

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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Nearly all first world countries enjoy instant payments at the point of sale and person to person. It boggles my mind that it has taken this long and a pandemic to even set the gears in motion, all while battling ridiculous levels of cheque and credit card fraud.

As a general rule, the US is terrible at a lot of first-world things for a good reason: because it was the first (or close). We have crappy old subways, airports, bridges, skyscrapers, and so on... because we built them early, versions 1.0. And they stuck around. Other countries had the luxuries of building their versions decades later, when the technology was 2.0 and 3.0 and so on. So the US is stuck with both old a…

I dont buy this we were first to do it. Plenty of other countries do continual upgrades to subways, banking, bridges, financial systems etc. My reasons are partly these;

1) I think US tend to think of itself as No.1 nation and makes it less likely to look at other countries doing things better and looking to follow. I think this becomes a mental limitation for many US citizens and policy makers.

2) There is too much corporate capitalism. Money in politics etc. Look at the internet system where Google tried to roll out fibre and there were regions passing laws stop competitors even going into the market. Look at the prices you pay for mobile services. For the world leading free market, there is way to much corruption where markets are restricted rather than government pushing to open established markets to new business when they become entrenched.

3) Over investment in military. US could have that budget, still be the largest military by a mile and be dropping hundreds of billions in building and repairing infrastructure.

4) Too much focus on making money vs doing things well. The desire to keep building a nation seems to be gone. same in my country of Australia. You read history from earlier in the 20th century and they had a view to get things done that would benefit a nation overall. Now its 'would a rail line really pay for itself and be cost effective' type mentality that limits visionary projects.

5) Career politicians. Like other nations I think many career politicians want to take the safe route for reelections. There is endless media criticism of these guys if something goes wrong, and big projects, things do wrong and no-one wants to hear were putting up taxes this year to pay for stuff. No idea how, but we need to filter better for people that believe in what they are doing and have a vision vs popularity based vote for me campaigning. And generally vet them for brains and ability vs I always vote for this party.

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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Americans have such a strange relationship with technology... the most innovative startups, and yet the worse infrastructure. here in Europe it's the contrary :) and btw: the service will be active in 2023 or 2024... while I enjoy immediate transfers bank to bank since years...

Its because a generation or two of Americans were propagandized heavily that anything socialized will immediately lead to Soviet communism. If we build infrastructure Lenin will rise from the dead and transform into a giant mech warrior and wade across the Atlantic to destroy us all.

I would watch this movie

Re: Fed announces details of new interbank service to support instant payments

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post #43
post #9

> The rapid expenditure of COVID emergency relief payments highlighted the critical importance of having a resilient instant payments infrastructure with nationwide reach, especially for households and small businesses with cash flow constraints," The main issue with releasing cash as I understand it wasn’t that it wasn’t arriving fast enough; rather it was verifying the recipient was eligible and was who they say th…

What's the concern about national ID and political enemies? First, your life is already pretty bad if you don't have either federal or state ID at all. It's hard to drive, it's hard to fly, it's hard to get a paycheck. (You can live off the land in the middle of nowhere and avoid contact with the outside world, but you're not much of a political enemy for anyone if you do.) So, your data is already in some sort of da…

What's the concern about national ID and political enemies?

Because America has seen what happens when it's used in other countries.

The HN crowd is mostly too young to remember these sorts of things, or to have learned about them in school. But it's a very short ride from "What's the big deal with national IDs?" to "SELECT * FROM 'residents' WHERE 'religion' = 'jewish' ORDER BY 'national_id';"

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