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Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by smitty1e »

Latty wrote: post #23
smitty1e wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a Periscope anecdote, Scott Adams of Dilbert fame went on about 5G bringing enrichment via eyewear such that profiles of people you meet pop up, and any other VR variation you can imagine. The geek can groove on turning cities into the holodeck on the Enterprise. But one surmises that the appeal of gadget-free living in the country will grow, also. Seems hard to derive a good balance point with "enough" technology…

Scott Adams seems to be pretty divorced from reality, so I would take his ideas with a pinch of salt. (To clarify: He's also claimed that if Biden wins the election, Republicans will literally be hunted in the streets, and I think regardless of your political views that is pretty clearly not actually going to happen, so his ability to predict future events with any accuracy isn't something I'd trust. Source: https://…

To clarify: when not raising interesting technical points, he does engage in overt trolling to test cancel culture limits, yes.

He has stated this in his Periscopes.

Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by jackson1442 »

GrayShade wrote: post #5
gruez wrote: post #4

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> But on the industrial side, there will be offerings that allow for low data rate, low power applications at cheaper and cheaper prices. oh great, now my appliances can phone home even without connecting to a wifi network.

Just add a SIM card. I've always wondered why they don't put one in the smart TVs, then they could eavesdrop on you all day long. Maybe they'll finally do it now.

Some IoT stuff already does[0]. According to the trusty people on the internet, you can remove these with your defrosters, and the SIM inside has unlimited data. Of course, approach this with proper scrutiny, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised since their entire business model is based on people not understanding how suction cups work.

[0]: https://barnacleparking.com/

Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by nightski »

mhh__ wrote: post #40
tekstar wrote: post #36

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I haven't researched it fully but to me it seemed like a utopia.. For the device makers, and dystopia for the customer. Imagine all your wireless IoT except you can't block them or filter from the wifi network, they are always connected and you can't see what data they're sending.

Don't buy them then? It's not like you can control most IoT today

Hopefully that remains an option. I look at it like Smart TVs today. It's pretty much impossible to buy a TV that is not smart. If IoT takes off this will become the case with many other things imho.

Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by rudolph9 »

bdamm wrote: post #27
rsynnott wrote: post #16

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Last mile for fixed rural wireless broadband seems like the obvious one. Today, this is generally done with either LTE or various proprietary things (or if you’re particularly unlucky, satellite). 5G should allow for greater total bandwidth, reducing the impact of contention. And on the other side, it should be helpful for very dense urban usage. Try using LTE in a large city’s central train station at a busy time an…

Starlink is going to dominate this. Cellular can't economically scale out to meet the vast rural coverage. There are still plenty of towns that don't have basic coverage even now, and to think that suddenly they're going to get 5G equipment... seems unlikely. Meanwhile, the Starlink satellites are up and base stations are in testing. Once they approve and start building out their ground stations, it's SpaceX's busine…

It's worth explicitly noting that Starlink is applicable to rural areas. As OG noted 5G is applicable to both densely populated and rural areas.

Further, it's theoretically possible to combine 5G and satellite internet where Starlink or similar serves as the connection to the internet backbone for a device broadcasting a 5G network. Connectivity isn't an all or nothing game and 5G is protocol that the SpaceX internet service business can leverage.

Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by fyfy18 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #7
GrayShade wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just add a SIM card. I've always wondered why they don't put one in the smart TVs, then they could eavesdrop on you all day long. Maybe they'll finally do it now.

There is little point when there is already a huge incentive for customers to connect their smart TV to the internet (ie the "smart" features). However you do already see some devices include a sim card. Home "smart" meters for the south of England operate this way. I believe some cars do to.

All new cars sold in Europe since 2018 have been required to have a system to automatically contact emergency services in case of an accident:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/04/01/starting...

Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by Latty »

smitty1e wrote: post #41
Latty wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scott Adams seems to be pretty divorced from reality, so I would take his ideas with a pinch of salt. (To clarify: He's also claimed that if Biden wins the election, Republicans will literally be hunted in the streets, and I think regardless of your political views that is pretty clearly not actually going to happen, so his ability to predict future events with any accuracy isn't something I'd trust. Source: https://…

To clarify: when not raising interesting technical points, he does engage in overt trolling to test cancel culture limits, yes. He has stated this in his Periscopes.

I'm not sure “this person routinely trolls” implies that he is going to have particularly valuable insight either. Are you sure his 5G ideas aren't just trolling too? I can't see how what he suggests requires 5G really.

Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by swebs »

rsynnott wrote: post #16
thinkingkong wrote: post #11

5G doesnt seem like its enabling anything fundamentally new. The talk of any ”killer app” based on having more throughput or on these optimizations always feels like demand generation and slightly inauthentic. Are there any technologies enabled by these techniques that are not possible today?

Last mile for fixed rural wireless broadband seems like the obvious one. Today, this is generally done with either LTE or various proprietary things (or if you’re particularly unlucky, satellite). 5G should allow for greater total bandwidth, reducing the impact of contention. And on the other side, it should be helpful for very dense urban usage. Try using LTE in a large city’s central train station at a busy time an…

>Try using LTE in a large city’s central train station at a busy time and see how you get on.

There was some ad campaign in Helsinki about two or three years ago telling people to do just this to compare carriers. Telia, Dna, and all the others worked just fine at rush hour at the central station with 50mbps+

Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by swebs »

Latty wrote: post #23
smitty1e wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a Periscope anecdote, Scott Adams of Dilbert fame went on about 5G bringing enrichment via eyewear such that profiles of people you meet pop up, and any other VR variation you can imagine. The geek can groove on turning cities into the holodeck on the Enterprise. But one surmises that the appeal of gadget-free living in the country will grow, also. Seems hard to derive a good balance point with "enough" technology…

Scott Adams seems to be pretty divorced from reality, so I would take his ideas with a pinch of salt. (To clarify: He's also claimed that if Biden wins the election, Republicans will literally be hunted in the streets, and I think regardless of your political views that is pretty clearly not actually going to happen, so his ability to predict future events with any accuracy isn't something I'd trust. Source: https://…

Does every thread really have to turn into some us-vs-them USA election fight?

Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by LockAndLol »

bzb4 wrote: post #14
LockAndLol wrote: post #3

> Private Networks > [...]At those scales, 5G could function essentially like Wi-Fi networks. Now that's going to get interesting, I hope. Will we finally see a reliable alternative to 802.11?

I thought 11ax is meant to be finally reliable?

I was talking more about the alternatives. Bluetooth can be used for networking, but personal experience hasn't been very positive with reliability and range. LiFi never really took off. And honestly, another alternative doesn't come to mind...

Re: 5G Just Got Weird

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Post by aaomidi »

elil17 wrote: post #34
rsynnott wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last mile for fixed rural wireless broadband seems like the obvious one. Today, this is generally done with either LTE or various proprietary things (or if you’re particularly unlucky, satellite). 5G should allow for greater total bandwidth, reducing the impact of contention. And on the other side, it should be helpful for very dense urban usage. Try using LTE in a large city’s central train station at a busy time an…

I don’t really see 5G solving rural broadband issues. You still need to lay backhaul line from the node Bs, and 5G requires more of them, so it’s not orders of magnitude cheaper than running cable to home.

A lot of rural areas have backbone just fine.

It's the last mile that's the issue.

You can find gigabit business internet basically anywhere.

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