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Stopping deepfake news with an AI algorithm that can tell when a face doesnt fit

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Re: Stopping deepfake news with an AI algorithm that can tell when a face doesnt fit

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Seems like an AI arms race just begun

It's just a slobbering infant trying to roll off the bed at this point.

The battleground of what is real and fake will very quickly move into 'superhuman' realms of sensitivity, leaving us meaty minions as spectators trying to figure out which AI to trust.

Re: Stopping deepfake news with an AI algorithm that can tell when a face doesnt fit

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post #2

Now we can use this new AI to train another AI that can defeat it. And so continues the great cat vs mouse chase. I don't think this is a problem that is ever going to be solved. Deep fakes will become more and more popular, and harder to detect.

Antibiotics resistance is also a cat and mouse game. It's still useful to keep playing the game though.

Re: Stopping deepfake news with an AI algorithm that can tell when a face doesnt fit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's great at making them better, yes

If the people trying to stop deepfakes can do it so can the people trying to produce them anyway. The best we can do is some way of digitally signing videos and software displays it as authentic or not but then they just make fake youtube style sites that say its authentic. The problem will go on and on.... Fake news will always spread for one reason or the next.

> but then they just make fake youtube style sites that say its authentic.

Even simpler, someone will build an optical setup that sends deepfake pixels onto a signing image sensor.

Re: Stopping deepfake news with an AI algorithm that can tell when a face doesnt fit

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AI novice here. It would seem to me that the detection algorithm can be repurposed into making the original less detectable. A recursion that never ends. An advantage quickly becomes disadvantage.

Worse. All information - even facts and truth - has been subverted. What happens when there is no trust? Is this not a road to the New Darker Ages?

Re: Stopping deepfake news with an AI algorithm that can tell when a face doesnt fit

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The problem will increasingly be "whose algorithm do we believe". Internet has revealed that people believe mostly what they want to. We have seen that a large subset of people are believing Bill Gates is behind the pandemic. Why would masses somehow be more rational in picking the most rigorous and objective neural network to recognize deepfakes, than they are in making sense of the world in general? In the end we will have multiple competing entities claiming to have the best deepfake recognition, all with their own agenda

Re: Stopping deepfake news with an AI algorithm that can tell when a face doesnt fit

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post #12
post #2

Now we can use this new AI to train another AI that can defeat it. And so continues the great cat vs mouse chase. I don't think this is a problem that is ever going to be solved. Deep fakes will become more and more popular, and harder to detect.

Antibiotics resistance is also a cat and mouse game. It's still useful to keep playing the game though.

The difference is that all the bacteria can become resistant to the antibiotic soon after it is created.

Re: Stopping deepfake news with an AI algorithm that can tell when a face doesnt fit

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post #16

The problem will increasingly be "whose algorithm do we believe". Internet has revealed that people believe mostly what they want to. We have seen that a large subset of people are believing Bill Gates is behind the pandemic. Why would masses somehow be more rational in picking the most rigorous and objective neural network to recognize deepfakes, than they are in making sense of the world in general? In the end we w…

I think religion might have proved that people will believe whatever they want to first. The book Sapiens really opened my eyes to people.

Re: Stopping deepfake news with an AI algorithm that can tell when a face doesnt fit

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post #16

The problem will increasingly be "whose algorithm do we believe". Internet has revealed that people believe mostly what they want to. We have seen that a large subset of people are believing Bill Gates is behind the pandemic. Why would masses somehow be more rational in picking the most rigorous and objective neural network to recognize deepfakes, than they are in making sense of the world in general? In the end we w…

Because YouTube, Facebook will flag these videos before they become too widespread.
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