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True and the biggest cause of that is bread, pasta and other complex carbs. You can't drink enough orange juice to get the same amount of sugar as a bowl of pasta without feeling sick.
Wait is bread and pasta, bad or good? I love bread and pasta.
"Made for humans" also draws attention to the fact that the milk you're drinking from a cow is not being drank by the offspring of that cow like it normally would and many people don't realise you have to keep making diary cows give birth to get more milk. Newly born male cows are usually turned into veal in a few weeks and female cows are separated from their mothers so they don't drink the valuable milk. Milk givin…
I really don't have a problem with these things. I don't have a problem killing animals for food, even baby cows. I also don't have a problem killing animals that can't be properly cared for (hello PETA). What I _do_ care about is how those animals are treated before they are killed. I am aware of the process for keeping dairy cows productive. I also am uncertain if the separation of calves and cows causes distress.…
There's plenty of YouTube videos of how cows react to this. Most animals instinctively protect their offspring, and cows are social animals on top of this.
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I’m ideologically positive to vegetarianism and veganism but I’m so sick of this argument. Something being “made for humans” is in no way a positive — so is cocaine.
Look, if the marketing for oatly just focused entirely and explicitly on the cruelty of the dairy industry that they are competing against, they would never be a successful alternative to dairy because most consumers don’t respond positively to being exposed to graphic, disturbing, and negative information about competitors on product packaging. If anything it makes consumers want to look away, reach for humor to tri…
This a very weird claim. I know some fringe groups like ridiculing vegans, but I find it very hard to believe that a majority of people would have a negative view towards veganism.
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A good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-dBPvkjtfO...
Sugar is readily accessible fuel, that's why you crave it. Complex carbohydrates and starches are the problem, not sugar. If you get a crash that's because you need to eat regularly, just like all the other primates. Fasting is an emergency state, not a normal one. Have you ever felt tired and out of whack after eating fruit? Have you seen the size of people on a fruitarian diet? (Spoiler, they loose a dangerous amou…
If you get a 'crash', it's because your blood sugar level is too low. One way that this can happen is by eating refined (simple) carbs - aka sugars. The release of sugar into the blood-stream is fast, leading to a large release of insulin from the pancreas, which then drives the sugar in the blood stream into the cells, giving a consequent drop in blood sugar. Unless you then replenish the blood sugar you get a 'crash'. Far better is to eat in a way that doesn't give you that spike of blood sugar, so that the insulin response is less.
> Have you ever felt tired and out of whack after eating fruit?
No, not that I can think of specifically related to fruit.
> Have you seen the size of people on a fruitarian diet? (Spoiler, they loose a dangerous amount of weight).
Not sure what an anecdotal observation of people on a weird diet proves.
> You don't get fat by eating fruit
No-one said you did. And (spoiler) not all sugars are equal. Eating a piece of fruit is not the same as eating a piece of candy, just because they both contain (some wort of) sugar.
> you get fat by eating lots of pasta and bread.
(This is a weird and partly incorrect statement, but...) Who said this was about getting fat? There can be negative health effects from what someone eats, aside from weight gain.
> I challenge you to gain weight on a diet of steak and orange juice.
Not sure what this weird unbalanced diet would prove either?
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Look, if the marketing for oatly just focused entirely and explicitly on the cruelty of the dairy industry that they are competing against, they would never be a successful alternative to dairy because most consumers don’t respond positively to being exposed to graphic, disturbing, and negative information about competitors on product packaging. If anything it makes consumers want to look away, reach for humor to tri…
> the cruelty of the dairy industry that they are competing against I have first-hand knowledge of "the dairy industry". I don't see cruelty. Can you fill me on what's cruel about it?
I'd also like to add that most vegans are not magically averse to meat or dairy as a product: they are mostly concerned with the industrial complex of producing animal products. I think most vegans would have no, or at least a lot less, problems with dairy production if it happened in a way where cows were treated very well and did not suffer in any way from having their milk taken (which would make milk prohibitively expensive, I assume).
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I’m ideologically positive to vegetarianism and veganism but I’m so sick of this argument. Something being “made for humans” is in no way a positive — so is cocaine.
> Something being “made for humans” is in no way a positive — so is cocaine. It's more of a spin from the phase "milk is for baby cows" though (not sure what the equivalent would be for cocaine). I used to roll my eyes at this as a naturalistic fallacy but point the being made here is: 1) cows do not give milk unless they've been pregnant 2) the newly born calves need to be separated from their mothers so there's mor…
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Which milk substitutes are better? Especially in the sense that they wouldn't be able to accrue complaints from an assailant as dogged as this writer.
There are many milk substitutes that don’t have the sugar of Oatly, the ones I’ve tried are the unsweetened almond and coconut milks. I think they suck in coffee (so does Oatly) but they are good for cereal or smoothies or just liquid protein.
Are you referring to the normal Oatly or the Barista version? Because the normal one doesn't work for coffee, but the latter is the best coffee milk I've had. I used to use real cream but actually now prefer that Oatly, it's that good.
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> Something being “made for humans” is in no way a positive — so is cocaine. It's more of a spin from the phase "milk is for baby cows" though (not sure what the equivalent would be for cocaine). I used to roll my eyes at this as a naturalistic fallacy but point the being made here is: 1) cows do not give milk unless they've been pregnant 2) the newly born calves need to be separated from their mothers so there's mor…
It's a pretty ridiculous simplification of how nature works. Animals being dependent on each-other is found everywhere in nature, and the fact is that cows at this point would stand almost no chance in nature since we have bred them to the point of cuddly teddy bears. So you could argue that cows get protection and we get milk, it's not necessarily exploitation in my mind until you get to the point where you talk abo…
Human ethics clearly shouldn't and aren't based on what other animals do to each other though.
> the fact is that cows at this point would stand almost no chance in nature since we have bred them to the point of cuddly teddy bears
You could justify anything with this argument: "doing X to Y is bad, but we've specifically bred Y to have X done to them such that Y can't survive in the wild anymore, therefore it's okay to do X".
Just stop breeding them. There's related species in the wild that will live on.
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> the cruelty of the dairy industry that they are competing against I have first-hand knowledge of "the dairy industry". I don't see cruelty. Can you fill me on what's cruel about it?
Cruelty is subjective, so I'll play the vegan's advocate here since I'm not vegan myself: Dairy cows are forcibly inseminated and then used for their milk way beyond the time period they normally would produce milk. In many parts of the world they are kept in conditions which are cruel, and they may also suffer physically from this treatment (infections etc). In essence, dairy animals are treated like machines rather…
What are you going to do with the cows after 5 years into their 20 year life span when they stop producing as much milk? I can't see any way you're going to make people against animal slaughter happy with the only practical option.
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It's a pretty ridiculous simplification of how nature works. Animals being dependent on each-other is found everywhere in nature, and the fact is that cows at this point would stand almost no chance in nature since we have bred them to the point of cuddly teddy bears. So you could argue that cows get protection and we get milk, it's not necessarily exploitation in my mind until you get to the point where you talk abo…
> Animals being dependent on each-other is found everywhere in nature Human ethics clearly shouldn't and aren't based on what other animals do to each other though. > the fact is that cows at this point would stand almost no chance in nature since we have bred them to the point of cuddly teddy bears You could justify anything with this argument: "doing X to Y is bad, but we've specifically bred Y to have X done to th…
In ethical terms, most people simply do not feel that the suffering of animals is equal to that of humans. One may not agree with this, but it's why people eat meat in the first place, or accept animal testing for medicine. So, as long as "specism" is the reigning morality that people subscribe to, it's unlikely we'll see a vegan wave, unless perhaps there's a climate component driving it as well.