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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by harel »

partyboat1586 wrote: post #149
harel wrote: post #18

I don't drink dairy due to intolerance and I find it disgusting possibly for the same reason. I also don't like any milk substitute so I'm out of any target demographic anyway. However, as far as I know according to traditional Chinese medicine milk is considered a big no no.

Try eating shredded carrots with coconut oil, olive oil and salt on an empty stomach once a day. In a couple of weeks try drinking milk again. If your milk intolerance is due to a bacterial overgrowth you should be able to tolerate it after that.

I find the taste of milk so abhorrent I rather drink piss than milk. I can only eat dairy after its been cooked.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by yomly »

steveklabnik wrote: post #312
317070 wrote: post #266

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As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

All the replies so far are about how nobody drinks pure milk, so... I drink roughly a gallon a week, personally. Whole, usually.

Drank a pint a day until I was 18

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by vitorfs »

eyko wrote: post #304
317070 wrote: post #266

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As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

I've never seen an adult drink pure milk, other than in some movies. I guess it's an american thing? Any Europeans here who drink pints of milk care to comment?

I lived in Finland for 5 years and it is very common there. I've seen people drinking milk at pizza place for example, like 300ml~ cups. Also at the University's cafeteria during lunch time students would drink pure milk with their meal.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by Freak_NL »

eyko wrote: post #304
317070 wrote: post #266

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As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

I've never seen an adult drink pure milk, other than in some movies. I guess it's an american thing? Any Europeans here who drink pints of milk care to comment?

You'll find most Dutch reading this topic slightly confused that people don't drink milk straight-up in the morning or during lunch. It's a staple in the majority of households here still.

Cow milk is recommended as part of the diet of young children, with government guidance noting that although calcium-enriched alternatives to cow milk (such as oat milk with added calcium) seem fine, there is as of yet insufficient data to suggest that replacing cow milk from the diet of young children won't have a negative effect. It's a fair and balanced view I suppose.

In the 70s a dairy campaign taught everyone that three pints of milk a day was healthy, but that kind of propaganda is in the past. Still, the Dutch tend to have a very positive view of our dairy industry, in part aided by animal welfare programs and certifications. That doesn't address the environmental impact of course.

I have switched to cow milk with a certified guarantee of decent treatment of the cows involved for my young son, and oat milk (Oatly usually) for us.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by [deleted] »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #315
317070 wrote: post #266

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As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

It's absolutely fascinating to read these replies! We have a very diverse set of people here. I had no idea that people didn't drink milk on its own. Apparently some Europeans don't. I eat cereal mostly to drink milk. If Oatly was a good substitute, I'd probably have started using it. (I haven't tried it yet.) 340ml is 0.08 gallons. That's consistent with "about a bowl of cereal."

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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by [deleted] »

neltnerb wrote: post #323
sillysaurusx wrote: post #315

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It's absolutely fascinating to read these replies! We have a very diverse set of people here. I had no idea that people didn't drink milk on its own. Apparently some Europeans don't. I eat cereal mostly to drink milk. If Oatly was a good substitute, I'd probably have started using it. (I haven't tried it yet.) 340ml is 0.08 gallons. That's consistent with "about a bowl of cereal."

I've seen a bunch of sides of it in the US. In the midwest where I grew up parts of my family required children to drink a glass of milk because the milk-industry propaganda at the time said it was important for kids to drink a bunch of milk for bones and growth and other stuff that was never true and was known to never be true. But we didn't have the internet yet, so how do you fact check it? The TV said so. I do se…

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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by Freak_NL »

rconti wrote: post #281
rattray wrote: post #117

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Which milk substitutes are better? Especially in the sense that they wouldn't be able to accrue complaints from an assailant as dogged as this writer.

I think almond milk tastes awful, Oatly was the first milk substitute I actually liked (maybe preferred!) to dairy milk. Currently I rotate through Oatly, Califa farms, and Silk oat milks depending on what's available. The water footprint of almond milk is just mind-blowing. I can't fathom ripping out other productive agriculture so that we can suck up more water than other crops just to sell almonds overseas and tur…

Of all the mammal milk alternatives oat milk seems the most environmentally friendly in temperate climates, as it can be grown regionally.

Although some point out that any plant-based milk is significantly better for the environment than mammal milk:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/28/what-pla...

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

vanilla-almond wrote: post #150

I drink milk, but I think the strongest case against drinking cows milk is industrial-scale dairy farming. We (consumers) are to blame because we want milk as cheap as possible. We've seen protests across Europe in the past by farmers who say they can't provide milk at such cheap prices and maintain welfare standards. Unfortunately, we consumers seem unwilling to pay for high welfare. Sure we say otherwise when asked…

Just to point out how things are all connected ... the relatively affluent on up to the obscenely rich can afford to pay for "high welfare" animal food production.

If minimum wage and/or the fraction of GDP that ended up in the pockets of employees had stayed in line with (say) mid-1970s levels, I would imagine that most people could (at least choose to) afford "high welfare" animal food production.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by dEnigma »

eyko wrote: post #304
317070 wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

I've never seen an adult drink pure milk, other than in some movies. I guess it's an american thing? Any Europeans here who drink pints of milk care to comment?

Austrian here. I regularly drink pure milk, sometimes a full litre at once (sometimes raw, which probably isn't a wise decision). Though I have to add that I rarely drink milk outside of my home, i.e. in public or at friends' places, or see other people doing so. I also think that most of my friends don't drink as much milk, as far as I know, and I've heard some of them say that they are lactose intolerant.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by com2kid »

kritiko wrote: post #309
ysavir wrote: post #166

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> The author engages in a little deceptive rhetoric himself by setting a 12oz serving as the baseline. It's true that a portion that size is bad for you. Lattes are bad for you. Like many people, though, I only rarely use milk substitutes to add a dash of not-coffee to coffee that would otherwise be too hot or too burnt. Guess I shouldn't be concerned? Maybe you shouldn't be, but others might. I was regularly using ~…

The author would say that you shouldn’t be eating pancakes, which presumably you are making with refined grains and frying in oil, and likely topping with some sort of sugar... he’s a keto fan. If you’re going to eat pancakes, I’d say it’s worth making them taste good.

Keto has some awesome pancakes though, honestly at this point my favorite pancakes are all keto recipes.

Almond hazelnut pancakes are /good/.

Keto has come a long ways since the days of steak and eggs for every meal.

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