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I love educated rednecks.

Maybe I misunderstand what redneck means in this context?

There is only one meaning of the term, at least nowadays. I think parent was sarcastic because part of definition of "redneck" is "uneducated", at least per OED.

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I’m a big remote work advocate and have worked with some amazing European engineers. That said, having worked as an engineer in the US office of a early stage startup with a European office, the 5-9 hour time difference is a not-insignificant impediment when you’re resource constrained and moving fast. Even with great communication and good management, having little overlap during the day for realtime conversations m…

Why do people who are remote need to stick with 9-5 hours? Plenty of people hate those times, and would rather work later/earlier, which could well lead to more congruent schedules.

Having kids going to school, having spouses and other people in your life that also have the same schedule.

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I'm US east coast working for a US west coast client, and that's complicated enough. I've got a few hours before and after work to myself, which is nice, but the workday is smack in the middle. On the upside, I can sleep in and stay up late if I want. On the downside, I often miss family dinners (less of a concern with covid) and there's no long block of time for more than errands during the week. Overall, I like it.…

> I may move to Hawaii when the plague passes, and then my day would start at 6am. That'd be rough. I know someone who did this. If you're a morning person already, the 5am wake-up isn't terrible, and finishing work at 2pm means you get prime surfing time every day. Not a bad way to go.

Literally did this all the way through the bay areas SIP order. Was going to head back but things are worse in Hawaii now, they just shut down the beaches...

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Sure, but what about 300k, or 500k? Also, not all of those apply to Norway at least and some are provided by the government.

Sure, maybe. My point is that US companies have to pay more because more things need to be taken care of by the individual instead of it being socialized to different degrees. Also there is very little in terms or labor rights in the US. So it is a bit more complicated, than just taking some amount you think any European would just line up for work, without considering the conditions they are used to. It is not like…

You have to update your knowledge about working for the software companies in US. You get $150-$300K plus almost all the benefits you mentioned on top of that.

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Wouldn't any company hiring workers in Europe need to provide the same benefits as any European company, roughly the ones listed above? Or can an American company just hire remotely and offer American benefits directly to employees (not talking about independent contractors of course)? It would seem like the former no? Or is there a possibility of the latter? Say I'm remote and would like to work in Europe. I think t…

I suspect that since the act of working happens physically in an European country, both the employee and the employer need to obey the labor law of that country. Practically, the American companies usually employ Europeans through their European subsidiaries/branches (which to local government look exactly like local companies).

Or they ask you to setup a single person company

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Sure, maybe. My point is that US companies have to pay more because more things need to be taken care of by the individual instead of it being socialized to different degrees. Also there is very little in terms or labor rights in the US. So it is a bit more complicated, than just taking some amount you think any European would just line up for work, without considering the conditions they are used to. It is not like…

You have to update your knowledge about working for the software companies in US. You get $150-$300K plus almost all the benefits you mentioned on top of that.

You might have missed my point in the original post, that I care about everyone getting these or similar benefits, not just me in a higher salaried positions or after years of staying in a company. It indirectly improves my own quality of life and affects cost of things.

Me making 150, 200 or 300k actually has fairly limited impact on my life. Everyone else getting the same benefits or not has, in a way not easily compensated by salary.

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Because next to them is another good European dev who would be happy with $100k.

And next to the Western-European dev is one from the East of Europe, say Ukraine, that again takes half of that.

Te only people who still stay in EE/UA are those without options to move and even there their salaries approach WEU.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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You have to update your knowledge about working for the software companies in US. You get $150-$300K plus almost all the benefits you mentioned on top of that.

You might have missed my point in the original post, that I care about everyone getting these or similar benefits, not just me in a higher salaried positions or after years of staying in a company. It indirectly improves my own quality of life and affects cost of things. Me making 150, 200 or 300k actually has fairly limited impact on my life. Everyone else getting the same benefits or not has, in a way not easily co…

I answered this line: >>> My point is that US companies have to pay more because more things need to be taken care of by the individual instead of it being socialized to different degrees.

the point is you get all these benefits and on top of this you get several times higher salary (I'm from Europe myself originally for what it worth).

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I work in Silicon Valley at a FAANG and that doesn’t describe the culture I experience at all.

You’re the minority. That mirrors what I observe pretty well.

Which FAANG probably makes a big difference. When I was at Google, most people were out of the office by 5-6.
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