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Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Post by Jedd »

brink wrote: post #4

I get that. I can give up seeing the Louvre this summer. But my loved one is in another country and the last thing my heart needs is more lock-downs. We need to consider what closed borders are doing to bi-national married / unmarried couples. They've been a largely ignored demographic during this pandemic and collateral damage due to the broad and sweeping policies that have taken place on the borders.

I'm deeply sorry to hear your Paris holiday is delayed.

I do not understand why you think that one specific demographic is being targeted here, as lockdowns typically affect every demographic within a region.

My heart (and renal, neural, respiratory etc systems) all very much need some brutal lockdowns for a few solid weeks, followed by very careful and complete contact tracing with significant penalties for people who intentionally try to circumvent these measures.

Perhaps you could mention where you and your loved one are.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Post by cma »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #22

Thoughts: Aerosol covid risk is highly likely, meaning that air travel requires N95 masks and goggles (eyes are a known vector). If you are outdoors, dilution of virions happens quickly, especially in windy conditions. UV helps denature RNA quickly as well. Indoor risk can be greatly mitigated with room air purifiers, but they have not been deployed because the WHO hasn’t acted on aerosol risk. (albeit, the deploymen…

Hepa filters consume the same melt-blown fiber as needed for medical n95s, though maybe by this point there is less of a shortage.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Post by zvrba »

Unfortunately, it's only advisory. The government should set up a 5000 NOK (at least) "traveling fine" per person, and obligatory quarantine ("home" confinement in state-provided guarded quarters) upon entry. THAT would discourage people from traveling. So those who MUST travel can plan ahead and know what they're up to, the rest will give up. AFAIK, insurance companies announced that they'll refuse travel-insurance claims due to corona if traveling to "red" countries.

The national health institute here opines that closing the borders has questionable or no effect, even though most of the cases in the 1st wave got imported from ski-resorts in Italy. I really don't get how keeping borders open only for goods traffic won't help with reducing imported cases. Something doesn't add up.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Post by ReptileMan »

This is one of the aspects I like about the covid. The centre of my city without the herds of foreign tourists and infrastructure load, the folding of the pretentious restaurants servicing them, the empty airports. My people exploring and having a holidays in their own country instead of visiting "greatest hits" in others. Everything is a lot calmer, there is space everywhere. The airbnb once more are converted to long term rentals.

Air travel probably got too cheap too fast. The world is not prepared for the jet set class to include too many.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Post by hourislate »

bzb4 wrote: post #6
brink wrote: post #4

I get that. I can give up seeing the Louvre this summer. But my loved one is in another country and the last thing my heart needs is more lock-downs. We need to consider what closed borders are doing to bi-national married / unmarried couples. They've been a largely ignored demographic during this pandemic and collateral damage due to the broad and sweeping policies that have taken place on the borders.

Meteoric rise in xenophobia? What are you talking about?

Just visit Canada from the USA. Canadians think that Americans are dying in the streets from Covid-19. They're calling the police on anyone with US license plates, harassing people from the USA, etc. The News is running articles that Canadians are fed up with Americans, etc,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/canadians-fed-up-with-unwan...

It's like they don't understand that things are in control and there are well over 325 million people in the US that are not infected/sick/Covid-19 Free.

I'm an expat in Texas and I can't even begin to tell you the kind of phones calls I've received from friends and family about Covid 19 in Texas. I can't blame them, the hysteria created from the media is driving this insanity of fear.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Post by lol139189 »

zvrba wrote: post #33

Unfortunately, it's only advisory. The government should set up a 5000 NOK (at least) "traveling fine" per person, and obligatory quarantine ("home" confinement in state-provided guarded quarters) upon entry. THAT would discourage people from traveling. So those who MUST travel can plan ahead and know what they're up to, the rest will give up. AFAIK, insurance companies announced that they'll refuse travel-insurance…

Oh look, it's another authoritarian tech cunt.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

hourislate wrote: post #36
bzb4 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meteoric rise in xenophobia? What are you talking about?

Just visit Canada from the USA. Canadians think that Americans are dying in the streets from Covid-19. They're calling the police on anyone with US license plates, harassing people from the USA, etc. The News is running articles that Canadians are fed up with Americans, etc, https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/canadians-fed-up-with-unwan... It's like they don't understand that things are in control and there are well ov…

People may not be dying in the streets and most hospitals are not overloaded, but things are definitely not under control in the US. Cases have been rising pretty dramatically in many states in the last few weeks.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Post by zvrba »

brink wrote: post #4

I get that. I can give up seeing the Louvre this summer. But my loved one is in another country and the last thing my heart needs is more lock-downs. We need to consider what closed borders are doing to bi-national married / unmarried couples. They've been a largely ignored demographic during this pandemic and collateral damage due to the broad and sweeping policies that have taken place on the borders.

This is extremely egoistic post. You, a single individual, can infect tens of persons, without even knowing it, who spread the disease further, and of whom someone will die. Is satisfying your heartache worth starting a chain of deaths?

The more people feel like they're a special-case snowflakes who should be exempt from travelling restrictions, the longer this situation is going to last.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Post by javagram »

hourislate wrote: post #36
bzb4 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meteoric rise in xenophobia? What are you talking about?

Just visit Canada from the USA. Canadians think that Americans are dying in the streets from Covid-19. They're calling the police on anyone with US license plates, harassing people from the USA, etc. The News is running articles that Canadians are fed up with Americans, etc, https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/canadians-fed-up-with-unwan... It's like they don't understand that things are in control and there are well ov…

> It's like they don't understand that things are in control

There are about 70,000 detected cases a day... it’s certainly the case that widespread US tourism in Canada by people who haven’t been tested or gone through a 14-day quarantine could result in a significant amount of virus being spread.

Various US states have these restrictions on travel from other states as well, e.g. Hawaii and Maine. Massachusetts is currently requiring out of state travelers from about 40 states to get tested or quarantine for 14 days after arriving.

So this is nothing to do with xenophobia. Simply governments trying to protect their citizens from a virus which kills between 0.25-0.75% of those who are infected.

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