How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company • Hacker News Board

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by rayuela » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:17 PM UTC

nsoonhui wrote: post #14

Not really off tangent: I won't be surprised if this attracts lots of comments along the lines "US/ WESTERN COUNTRIES did this before too and therefore no better than China". I just can't understand why when it comes to geopolitics, HN just can't keep the discussion related to the submission? Somehow US/ western countries have to enter the discussion as a bad benchmark...

Nationalism, Identity Politics, and don't forget the paid shills. It's the same problems you see in any large public online forum. I think addressing this issue is actually something for a very interesting discussion.

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by mattmanser » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:18 PM UTC

nsoonhui wrote: post #14

Not really off tangent: I won't be surprised if this attracts lots of comments along the lines "US/ WESTERN COUNTRIES did this before too and therefore no better than China". I just can't understand why when it comes to geopolitics, HN just can't keep the discussion related to the submission? Somehow US/ western countries have to enter the discussion as a bad benchmark...

No-one has yet, but what's the problem with it?

America stole Britain's intellectual property for a leg up a century or two ago, now a different country is doing it to them.

It's just the normal cycle, and America have long had a lot of artificial legal protections in place to try and stop it and limit the rest of the world's prosperity.

The harsh copyright laws and IP agreements they've bullied the rest of the world into accepting are beginning to fail, and these sort of articles are a direct consequence of that, why wouldn't we discuss it? It's an intellectually interesting effect.

There's also the other question of is it really stealing? America still has the knowledge, after all. Copyright laws were supposed to encourage innovation, but as many here have argued, have gone too far, what's the surprise now a country has enough power to say No to America, they're saying No.

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by secondcoming » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:18 PM UTC

hummel wrote: post #13

It seems that Mr. Saleen has suffered the same fate that my electric car company suffered in 2010. After promising us a partnership, his only intention was to obtain the technology and the secrets, at that time one of the few complete EV powertrains on the market. As soon as the contracts were signed and the technology was evaluated, two separate companies were set up based on the same technology.I have to say that t…

This is sad but true. There are some very interesting channels on youtube made by westerners who live in, or used to, China e.g. Serpentza. Some of them are quite eye-opening, especially more recent ones from when the CCP decided having foreigners in China is a bad thing. The videos from years ago were quite positive, but honest, generally about China. Not any more.

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by dccoolgai » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:19 PM UTC

nsoonhui wrote: post #14

Not really off tangent: I won't be surprised if this attracts lots of comments along the lines "US/ WESTERN COUNTRIES did this before too and therefore no better than China". I just can't understand why when it comes to geopolitics, HN just can't keep the discussion related to the submission? Somehow US/ western countries have to enter the discussion as a bad benchmark...

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Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by rayuela » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:21 PM UTC

hummel wrote: post #13

It seems that Mr. Saleen has suffered the same fate that my electric car company suffered in 2010. After promising us a partnership, his only intention was to obtain the technology and the secrets, at that time one of the few complete EV powertrains on the market. As soon as the contracts were signed and the technology was evaluated, two separate companies were set up based on the same technology.I have to say that t…

How is this downvoted to oblivion 5 minutes after posting?

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by rayuela » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:23 PM UTC

mattmanser wrote: post #22

nsoonhui wrote: post #14

Not really off tangent: I won't be surprised if this attracts lots of comments along the lines "US/ WESTERN COUNTRIES did this before too and therefore no better than China". I just can't understand why when it comes to geopolitics, HN just can't keep the discussion related to the submission? Somehow US/ western countries have to enter the discussion as a bad benchmark...

No-one has yet, but what's the problem with it? America stole Britain's intellectual property for a leg up a century or two ago, now a different country is doing it to them. It's just the normal cycle, and America have long had a lot of artificial legal protections in place to try and stop it and limit the rest of the world's prosperity. The harsh copyright laws and IP agreements they've bullied the rest of the world…

Were you trying to be ironic? You have presented exactly the problem OP is complaining about...

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by Wolfenstein98k » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

The scale of their IP theft is incredible.

The CFO survey said it is happening to 1 in 5 US corporations, which is incredible if you think about it - but the trouble is the scale is larger than that, when you include what they steal via surveillance too.

I can't see an answer outside of decoupling, seeing as they're set on their path and proud of it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-in-5-companies-say-china-s...

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by QuarterReptile » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

secondcoming wrote: post #18

close04 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the shortsightedness of chasing short term profits for the investors rather than a more sustainable approach of not handing over the reins to a less than trustworthy partner. I'm genuinely curious for how many companies did this short term bump in profits outweigh the long term loss by irretrievably handing over technology, business strategies, etc. Edit for the comment below. > legally obliged to maximise sh…

Aren't CEO's kind of legally obliged to maximise shareholder value, so they have to do the deal with the devil?

No. They are to act in the best interest of the corporation/shareholders, which with increasing clarity means not getting in bed with Chinese organizations (assuming your foresight extends beyond the end of your nose.)

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by adventured » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

nsoonhui wrote: post #14

Not really off tangent: I won't be surprised if this attracts lots of comments along the lines "US/ WESTERN COUNTRIES did this before too and therefore no better than China". I just can't understand why when it comes to geopolitics, HN just can't keep the discussion related to the submission? Somehow US/ western countries have to enter the discussion as a bad benchmark...

> I just can't understand why when it comes to geopolitics, HN just can't keep the discussion related to the submission?

It's not HN, it's human nature, that's why whataboutism is universal. In most cases whataboutism is a nearly uncontrollable impulse, it's a mental sensation the person can barely contain. Whataboutism is used either to relieve anguish that the person feels, or to outlet hatred/rage. They're compelled by the stress they feel to outlet it. In the case of anguish, it's caused when the subject of a negative story - eg China - is being hit, the person desperately needs to redirect fire off of it, because it feels personal, they feel actual mental anguish from the story and need to make it stop. One way to lighten that anguish is to spread it around, try to normalize the negative (by trying to show that other countries are guilty too). Whataboutism out of hatred/dislike is a case where the person literally hates the redirect subject - eg the US - and looks for any excuse at any time to focus their rage onto it; in that case it's not about the focus subject, it's primarily about the redirect subject (the initial focus subject is merely the opportunity provider).

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by quoyn » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 1:27 PM UTC

Reading the title and the url my first thought literally: "What? someone from Wall Street Journal admitted they are bought and paid by the Chinese?"

Not joking here WSJ has admitted, after a lot of pressure, to receive money from China Daily it's just not very well known.