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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by shin_lao »

lambdaba wrote: post #119
vanilla-almond wrote: post #116

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I would be interested to know if these studies refer to low quality vegetable oils using a chemical process to extract oil. For example, in the UK, supermarkets sell cold-pressed rapeseed oil (canola oil in the US). The cold-press process is sold as making rapeseed oil as relatively healthy cooking oil. Does cold-pressing rapeseed/canola seed turn it into a relatively healthy cooking oil (vs the expeller-pressed or c…

The problem is the fats in those oils are very susceptible to oxidation and have low smoke points, they are never safe as cooking oils for this reason. For cooking the best options outside of animal fats are olive oil and coconut oil, but of course olive oil is most versatile and better tasting imo.

Avocado oil is much better than olive oil, which has a low boiling point.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by rorykoehler »

crispyporkbites wrote: post #31
rorykoehler wrote: post #8

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Oatley has loads of different varieties. The sugar content in the barista one is low enough that I can drink 3 flat whites a day and stay in Ketosis.

Are you concerned about weight loss? Why not just switch to espresso?

Not concerned about weight loss. Body fat is already almost too low. Doing it to modulate my immune system.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by partyboat1586 »

mft_ wrote: post #86
doublesCs wrote: post #66

What's wrong with sugar though? I also don't buy the cartoonishly simplistic claim that "coca-cola is unhealthy". Does it cause obsesity? It doesn't "cause obsesity" in the same sense that ingesting more calories than you spend causes obsesity: It's not the coca-cola or the sugar by themselves.

A good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-dBPvkjtfO...

Sugar is readily accessible fuel, that's why you crave it. Complex carbohydrates and starches are the problem, not sugar. If you get a crash that's because you need to eat regularly, just like all the other primates. Fasting is an emergency state, not a normal one.

Have you ever felt tired and out of whack after eating fruit? Have you seen the size of people on a fruitarian diet? (Spoiler, they loose a dangerous amount of weight). You don't get fat by eating fruit and having an occasional soda, you get fat by eating lots of pasta and bread.

I challenge you to gain weight on a diet of steak and orange juice.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by rorykoehler »

zaroth wrote: post #36
rorykoehler wrote: post #8

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Oatley has loads of different varieties. The sugar content in the barista one is low enough that I can drink 3 flat whites a day and stay in Ketosis.

The sugar content in the “Barista” edition is exactly the same as their ordinary version. Total calorie content is 59kcal/100mL versus the regular version which is 46kcal/100mL. The difference is they add dipotassium phosphate to prevent separating when the milk hits the hot coffee. By talking about “Low enough to stay in Ketosis” you are practicing the techniques discussed in TFA perfectly. Almost makes it sound lik…

I don't buy the other ones so I never check the nutrients.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by schmidt87 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #107
schmidt87 wrote: post #92

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This is substantially incorrect, especially for France [1]: While cows indeed aren't grown in intensive farming in France, 95% of pork in France is raised in intensive factory farming, and other species have similar stats. Most of the western world has similar stats. This is far from a US-only problem. [1] https://www.liberation.fr/france/2018/06/04/porcs-bovins-vol...

I was specifically talking about dairy farming. Pork, chicken and beef all have their own issues. The average USA farm size is about 220 cows vs. about 70 cows in France, and the practices used in Europe as a whole are more humane (my numbers are from closed market studies published by IFCN). These animals are very well monitored and cared for. I wouldn't want to change place with them, but then I also wouldn't trade…

I agree that cows are better off in France, but this is an anomaly.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by Obsnold »

evilsetg wrote: post #23
spodek wrote: post #13

The article mentioned Merchants of Doubt . I recommend following it up with Industrial Strength Denial https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-Strength-Denial-Corporatio... , which documents similar practices supporting industries like leaded gas, radium (promoted for health including injecting it and using it in suppositories), and slavery. As an alternative to Oatly, I bought a soy milk making machine (used from Craig's…

About making soymilk: I do like the idea of making the soymilk I consume myself. I have not yet though found a way to utilize the okara (soy pulp) that is produced in the process. Do you have any tips what to do with it?

The best use I found for it was making a kind of granola. I can't remember the exact recipie I used but a bunch come up when searching.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by themgt »

rattray wrote: post #117
prepend wrote: post #90

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The article is about the failings of Oatly, not the failures of milk. There’s lots of milk substitutes that aren’t as bad for you as Oatly. I read the comparison to milk as just a comparison to the baseline or what Oatly wants to taste like, not as an endorsement of cow milk.

Which milk substitutes are better? Especially in the sense that they wouldn't be able to accrue complaints from an assailant as dogged as this writer.

I think unsweetened almond milk is maybe the best overall pick if you want a milk substitute. From my understanding it's fairly healthy, natural, and the taste / "mouth feel" is good. Downsides are cost and maybe the amount of water/bees used to make the almonds.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by rattray »

ajkdhcb2 wrote: post #112

You can criticize the health of anything like this. There isn't a comparison; how healthy is it compared to cow milk? The comparison to coke is ridiculous. Some sugar and canola oil doesn't even seem bad to me, seems perfectly fine. Especially given that I think it tastes way way better than other alternatives, without making me feel sick and having ethical/moral issues.

Agreed; this felt like an unfair hit piece - if anything, I feel more comfortable drinking oatly (though perhaps not in large quantities).

It was disappointing that the author didn't discuss how much fiber is in oatly, and how that can affect health and glycemic impact.

The coke comparison felt particularly hypocritical - what's the glycemic load of 8oz of coke vs 8oz of oatly?

If the takeaway is supposed to be, "the glycemic load of oatly is a little higher than milk", well, that doesn't exactly convince me this is going to be the new cause if a major diabetes epidemic (which drinks like coke do have a hand in).

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by lambdaba »

shin_lao wrote: post #121
lambdaba wrote: post #119

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The problem is the fats in those oils are very susceptible to oxidation and have low smoke points, they are never safe as cooking oils for this reason. For cooking the best options outside of animal fats are olive oil and coconut oil, but of course olive oil is most versatile and better tasting imo.

Avocado oil is much better than olive oil, which has a low boiling point.

It's probably equivalent but the taste doesn't go with most foods, also it goes bad much easier which again suggests less stability.
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