> Our goal is to ensure that we get all aspects of our products mainlined so that custom kernels will not be required. I love these kinds of projects, but after being burned by the PocketCHIP, who also said this but never made it there, this is isn't somewhere I want to go again.
I suspect if someone were ready to pounce on the Oxide source code when it comes out, that one might make a go of a properly open portable handheld device by adding some drivers and snipping a few bits off. Radios might be the hardest things to sort out, since people seem to like to keep those as proprietary as hell, and WiFi is merely okay now. Sounds like starlink antennae won’t be small enough for a long time, so…
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#42> Our goal is to ensure that we get all aspects of our products mainlined so that custom kernels will not be required. I love these kinds of projects, but after being burned by the PocketCHIP, who also said this but never made it there, this is isn't somewhere I want to go again.
I suspect if someone were ready to pounce on the Oxide source code when it comes out, that one might make a go of a properly open portable handheld device by adding some drivers and snipping a few bits off. Radios might be the hardest things to sort out, since people seem to like to keep those as proprietary as hell, and WiFi is merely okay now. Sounds like starlink antennae won’t be small enough for a long time, so…
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#43What are some interesting use-cases for this? I can imagine sys admins would like this for remote admin. I can't think off the top of my head why general hackers would keep this in their pockets most of the time.
Well and I'm not one of those, but I'm still seriously considering getting it - or rather, the cheaper version without LoRa. I can't really tell you anything from the top of my head, but back when I had my N900, it found so many unexpected uses constantly. Having a full-blown Linux machine in your pocket is a seriously different game than any of the current gen of smartphones.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I could only afford a Handspring Vizor. iPAQs were so high-end.
I’ve only used WM5/6 but compared to PalmOS it genuinely sucked so
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What is the flipper? URL?
Some hyphy SBC that's all flash and style. It's got a basic SDR and a few common SPI/i²c devices. It's 99% a marketing play. All off the shelf and any engineering team could clone it in a few days while substantially undercutting their price. I'd place bets someone already has. The cheaper clones will probably beat their flashy device to market and work better. But they'll do fine regardless because branding matters…
> All off the shelf and any engineering team could clone it in a few days while substantially undercutting their price
Perhaps. And perhaps Dropbox is just a glorified rsync FTP target. (Sarcasm here, boiling down to saying that talk is cheap, shipping is hard)
> They're selling a fashion accessory targeting the fanboy tech crowd
I guess that makes me a 'fanboy tech' then.
Unlike the breadboard + parts + wires + needed case of some kind + SBC/microcontroller +need to learn yet another proglang or dialect to make whatever you built DO something, this device comes with a working battery, controls, screen, Bluetooth and U2F, NFC cloning out of the box. No instructables or breadboard required!
While I'm interested in circuit design, there are no simple books that will take you from plugging in a battery to a single led to something that can run c code. Maybe NAND to Tetris? Have had a hard time finding a physical book for that.
Learning to do embedded stuff as a result would require more time than I'm willing to invest right now vs what I could get done by reusing old phones or retro computers to do stuff, or by purchasing a Turn-Key device like this.
And for once the marketing may mean that these people have answers to questions, and do not disappear for months on end while the engineering types silently work and don't dare talk about their problems. Sort of like the opaque development of signal versus the open development of this week in matrix.
at the very least, the dolphin character and marketing or branding on this device shows that there is at least some ux care taken, and there will be at least one or two glossy coats of paint applied over top the bare metal. I compare this to something like a Chinese pen plotter that while technically being only a cheaper version of the do-it-yourself pen plotter or axidraw, has much worse software that barely works and is not intuitive.
Regarding the flipper itself, I purchased it to function as a simple NFC clone for my work badge if I ever go back to work, and as a u2f key manger since I don't already have one of those, not as a hacking or embedded development aid.
Those capabilities and gpio pens are optional to me as a user, which may confirm your suspicions, I don't know.
Like most finished products, this device can provide a high-value to user supplied code ratio. There's definitely a place for devices that are 'merely' hardware and a software platform that enable a one-to-one value to user supplied code device... even I run things like pihole on a dedicated raspberry pi zero since the cost benefit is there. Why, at some point, I'm going to learn native Linux development so that I can write applications for the pine phone whenever it comes out with a keyboard. not everything has to be a completely finished product with applications after all.
Having the ability to hack on something is great, but this fanboy prefers to purchase products that can actually do something for him, yet are extensible, as opposed to buying some pcbs and hoping that one day some way somehow you can make them do something. I have enough almost started weekend projects already :)
/End rant , thanks for your patience with my clumsy delivery skills
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#47What are some interesting use-cases for this? I can imagine sys admins would like this for remote admin. I can't think off the top of my head why general hackers would keep this in their pockets most of the time.
It's got integrated LoRa, so I assume they're targeting a lot of hackers or people working on IOT stuff "in the field", as it were. Well and I'm not one of those, but I'm still seriously considering getting it - or rather, the cheaper version without LoRa. I can't really tell you anything from the top of my head, but back when I had my N900, it found so many unexpected uses constantly. Having a full-blown Linux machi…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5#/media/File:200...
and shove modern hardware/screen into it running stock gnu/linux.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's got integrated LoRa, so I assume they're targeting a lot of hackers or people working on IOT stuff "in the field", as it were. Well and I'm not one of those, but I'm still seriously considering getting it - or rather, the cheaper version without LoRa. I can't really tell you anything from the top of my head, but back when I had my N900, it found so many unexpected uses constantly. Having a full-blown Linux machi…
I just want someone to take this form factor[1] (and crucially build quality ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5#/media/File:200... and shove modern hardware/screen into it running stock gnu/linux.
As far as I can tell, it can dualboot linux and android (or even sailfish OS!)
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#50Confusing name but not related to Microsoft’s obsolete Pocket PC platform
I suspect such retrospective revisionist reports are designed to precisely do that, render confusion. For instance, according to wikipedia, Windows NT was never designed with the Internet in mind. Whatever that's supposed to mean.