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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by schmidt87 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #58
crispyporkbites wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people have some level of lactose malabsorption. Also cows milk has pretty grave health implications for the cows

I asked my vegan friends if they’d rather these animals would not exist at all rather than be used for milk production (because they are only bred into existence for that). I wonder how that logic applies to humans born into living in rough countries, would vegans rather they would not exist at all? It’s not like a dairy cow has a life of eternal suffering after all. It eats, grazes, rests and socializes. It does cow…

I suggest you look up "factory farming" before making claims like "It’s not like a dairy cow has a life of eternal suffering after all". They literally don't do any of the activities you mention.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by daneel_w »

I'm on-board with the moral aspect of minimizing support for the dairy industry (though this topic is oddly never brought up), however, I just don't like the taste of Oatly's products. They are indeed too sweet. There are better-tasting oat beverage brands out there which declare less sugar (and without salt for balance). Soy milk works great, too.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by spodek »

evilsetg wrote: post #23
spodek wrote: post #13

The article mentioned Merchants of Doubt . I recommend following it up with Industrial Strength Denial https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-Strength-Denial-Corporatio... , which documents similar practices supporting industries like leaded gas, radium (promoted for health including injecting it and using it in suppositories), and slavery. As an alternative to Oatly, I bought a soy milk making machine (used from Craig's…

About making soymilk: I do like the idea of making the soymilk I consume myself. I have not yet though found a way to utilize the okara (soy pulp) that is produced in the process. Do you have any tips what to do with it?

I use it like yogurt -- usually I chop fruit and and nuts on it, or I thicken my breakfast oatmeal with it. I don't sweeten it beyond fruit, though you could. You might also check YouTube. Actually I just did and it returns a lot of ideas: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=okara&oq=&gs_l=

Speaking of yogurt, I plan to start making soy yogurt too.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by 1f60c »

thepete2 wrote: post #32
TristanDaCunha wrote: post #22

I was looking for a second opinion, and found the comment by Glenn in that article was a good counterpoint. I won't repeat it here, but another point that comes to mind is that one may use a very small amount of milk-substitute in your hot drink, compared to drinking a much larger amount of coke. So it's not perfectly comparable, even if they were equally bad.

I think "the new coke" just refers to the misleading marketing, no? But you're right of course.

I haven’t yet read the article, but from the title, I thought it referred to Coca Cola’s inventor, John Pemberton, claiming[0] the drink was a cure for “many diseases,” ”including morphine addiction, indigestion, nerve disorders, headaches, and impotence.”

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola#History

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by shock »

agloeregrets wrote: post #47
ecmascript wrote: post #3

> Little Oatly in the south of Sweden Oatly is owned by a Chinese company so it's not very Swedish anymore. They claim bullshit like cow milk is bad and spread a lot of vegan propaganda. It's a really crap company with crap interests.

I mean yes I agree that Oatly is a crap company. But cow milk in general (and especially in Whole Milk form) is well proven to be unhealthy in the quantities usually recommended. There’s a good reason why nobody else drinks milk like Americans do. (Who were advertised to insanely aggressively and back room dealings brought about things like making Milk a standard in US schools.) Oatly is still really bad but the root…

> proven to be unhealthy in the quantities usually recommended

I can make water unhealthy if I recommend high enough or low enough quantities :)

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by seanwilson »

"Made for humans" also draws attention to the fact that the milk you're drinking from a cow is not being drank by the offspring of that cow like it normally would and many people don't realise you have to keep making diary cows give birth to get more milk. Newly born male cows are usually turned into veal in a few weeks and female cows are separated from their mothers so they don't drink the valuable milk. Milk giving cows are then slaughtered for meat when they stop yielding enough milk after several births.

This reality isn't obvious from milk ads. I'll admit I only learned the above in the last few years because nobody talks about it and when you try people will instinctively defend these uncomfortable facts.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by lancebeet »

agloeregrets wrote: post #47
ecmascript wrote: post #3

> Little Oatly in the south of Sweden Oatly is owned by a Chinese company so it's not very Swedish anymore. They claim bullshit like cow milk is bad and spread a lot of vegan propaganda. It's a really crap company with crap interests.

I mean yes I agree that Oatly is a crap company. But cow milk in general (and especially in Whole Milk form) is well proven to be unhealthy in the quantities usually recommended. There’s a good reason why nobody else drinks milk like Americans do. (Who were advertised to insanely aggressively and back room dealings brought about things like making Milk a standard in US schools.) Oatly is still really bad but the root…

>But cow milk in general (and especially in Whole Milk form) is well proven to be unhealthy in the quantities usually recommended.

Do you have a source on that statement? What are the quantities that are usually recommended, and by whom are they recommended?

>There’s a good reason why nobody else drinks milk like Americans do.

That's simply not true. The Scandinavian countries all consume more milk per capita than the US. Coincidentally, Scandinavia is also where Oatly is from.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by thomasahle »

cpach wrote: post #9
ecmascript wrote: post #3

> Little Oatly in the south of Sweden Oatly is owned by a Chinese company so it's not very Swedish anymore. They claim bullshit like cow milk is bad and spread a lot of vegan propaganda. It's a really crap company with crap interests.

I find it kinda hilarious that despite this Oatly is very popular in vegan/new age/alternative circles. If I was a vegan I would rather drink organic soy milk.

> If I was a vegan I would rather drink organic soy milk.

Both soy and almond have bad reputations in terms of ecological impact.

If one can get the same nutrition from oat, it's a pretty big win environmentally.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by fancyfredbot »

NotOscarWilde wrote: post #38

A tangent on Canola and rapeseed oil: I have recently watched a Chinese Cooking Demystified video (I believe it was [1]) about the Chinese rapeseed oil and its comparison in taste and erucic acid contents to Canola oil, which is its only available variant in Western countries. The video stated a thesis echoed on Wikipedia's page on Erucic acid [2]: > Studies done on laboratory animals in the early 1970s show that eru…

This comment is the long form equivalent of the excellent https://mobile.twitter.com/justsaysinmice (and just as great, thanks)

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by flyinglizard »

schmidt87 wrote: post #71
flyinglizard wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I asked my vegan friends if they’d rather these animals would not exist at all rather than be used for milk production (because they are only bred into existence for that). I wonder how that logic applies to humans born into living in rough countries, would vegans rather they would not exist at all? It’s not like a dairy cow has a life of eternal suffering after all. It eats, grazes, rests and socializes. It does cow…

I suggest you look up "factory farming" before making claims like "It’s not like a dairy cow has a life of eternal suffering after all". They literally don't do any of the activities you mention.

I know dairy farming very, very well. It varies between areas. In France for example, there are no mega farms, all farms are small to medium, many family owned. Hormones are banned. This is true for other parts of Western Europe.

Mega Farms are mostly an American issue. I do not support them at all.

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