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Oatly: The New Coke?

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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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post #18

I don't drink dairy due to intolerance and I find it disgusting possibly for the same reason. I also don't like any milk substitute so I'm out of any target demographic anyway. However, as far as I know according to traditional Chinese medicine milk is considered a big no no.

Do you rely on traditional Chinese medicine? Why would you do that?

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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I was looking for a second opinion, and found the comment by Glenn in that article was a good counterpoint. I won't repeat it here, but another point that comes to mind is that one may use a very small amount of milk-substitute in your hot drink, compared to drinking a much larger amount of coke. So it's not perfectly comparable, even if they were equally bad.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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The article mentioned Merchants of Doubt . I recommend following it up with Industrial Strength Denial https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-Strength-Denial-Corporatio... , which documents similar practices supporting industries like leaded gas, radium (promoted for health including injecting it and using it in suppositories), and slavery. As an alternative to Oatly, I bought a soy milk making machine (used from Craig's…

About making soymilk: I do like the idea of making the soymilk I consume myself. I have not yet though found a way to utilize the okara (soy pulp) that is produced in the process. Do you have any tips what to do with it?

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Any recommendations for a different good-tasting, ‘healthy’ milk alternative, then? Porridge or cereal with water is inedible...

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly what I had in mind. The article does not mention cow milk's health implications, and only focuses on debunking Oatly's alleged health benefits. This creates the same "Obscure the Truth" effect the article opens with, giving the impression that there's nothing wrong with cow milk. If both options are equally unhealthy (which is at the minimum the biased impression the article gives by not discussing cow milk),…

What actual proven health implications does cows milk have?

Most people have some level of lactose malabsorption.

Also cows milk has pretty grave health implications for the cows

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it kinda hilarious that despite this Oatly is very popular in vegan/new age/alternative circles. If I was a vegan I would rather drink organic soy milk.

Or almond milk, which actually tastes good compared to soy milk and oatly. If you look at men who are vegan, they are almost always weak and feminine. Maybe that's just the kind of individuals that get drawn into a vegan diet, but I think there might be something else in play.

Ah, yes, the well known "soy milk turns the frogs gay" analysis, pioneered by that universally respected paragon of factual accuracy, Alex Jones.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Still doesn't seem as "bad" nutritionally as regular milk. Oat milk is quite popular here in Finland, it's my understanding people choose it because of the environmental, moral and taste aspects, which the article doesn't mention at all.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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> Little Oatly in the south of Sweden Oatly is owned by a Chinese company so it's not very Swedish anymore. They claim bullshit like cow milk is bad and spread a lot of vegan propaganda. It's a really crap company with crap interests.

It's mostly owned by a Belgian company, Verlinvest (40%). Which is a venture capital company run by the families behind Inbev (the beer company). After that it's 30% owned by a Chinese company. At least according to Wikipedia. On their own website they list some more owners but without any percentages.

Ok, but it's not "swedish" anymore at least. Even if the chinese ownership is 30%, it's still the state of china that owns a large part of it which is enough for me to never buy that product again.

Also, they have sponsored a festival outside Gothenburg in Sweden several times where they banned regular milk in the area, citing that it's bad for you.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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TL;DR: Oatly (oat milk) is primarily sugar and canola oil. Both are bad in large quantities.

It also has oats, though only 10%.

Careful. Oatly's ingredient listing is potentially deceptive. The ingredients are listed as:

> Oat base (water, oats 10%), rapeseed oil, ...

That is, the oats make up 10% of the oat base, which is the most prominent ingredient, not of the entire product.

The other ingredients which I've elided are things like stabilizers, preservatives, and so on, so they likely don't account for more than 1% of the total product.

Now let's assume the worst case: that Oatly is 50% "oat base", and 49% canola oil, and 1% additives. This would be consistent with their ingredient labeling.

Then, Oatly would actually only contain 5% of oats.

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