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Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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wubbalerfa wrote: post #349
coldtea wrote: post #2

I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

For anyone who is already used to Jira and considering switching, think again. Monday seems to be popular as the "much faster, responsive" competitor if the marketing is to believed. I've used it for 6 months - it's garbage. At least, absolutely ZERO times better than Jira as an overall productivity tool. I can't tell you how many times issues have never loaded (see: blank screen), painstakingly prioritised lists of…

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smoe wrote: post #320
ryanSrich wrote: post #217

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Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

So here is couple of things, not a complete list, I would expect working for an US company: - 5 weeks paid vacation per year(6-7 if we skip regional holidays) - 13th month salary (that is independent from other bonuses) - Paid overtime the minute it goes above the agreed upon working hours. 1.5x pay for night or weekend work. - Maximum hours per week the must not be exceeded. - Protection from the employer wanting to…

Contract? What contract?

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emddudley wrote: post #241
ryanSrich wrote: post #217

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Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

There are a lot of experienced developers in the U.S. you can hire for 100k too, outside the large metropolitan areas.

The US is the recipient of all of the world's top talent. Why would any extremely experienced developer willingly choose to earn 1/6th of the money in the Europe or less unless forced to?

Of course, top talent does exist in Europe but there's way less than the US.

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michaelcampbell wrote: post #171
james412 wrote: post #146

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You'd honestly work for the folk responsible for the BitBucket redesign, or the 6 billion lines of dynamic JS loaded for every Jira page? I'd sooner work the curb while living in a coal bunker

Maybe he's the guy that can turn that around.

Atlassian undoubtedly has very smart people working there, but the absolute cluster mess of JIRA and their other flagships indicates deep management incompetence that favors shiny new feature over cleaning up the mountains of jQuery debt.

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Post by onion2k »

macNchz wrote: post #248
ryanSrich wrote: post #217

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Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

I’m a big remote work advocate and have worked with some amazing European engineers. That said, having worked as an engineer in the US office of a early stage startup with a European office, the 5-9 hour time difference is a not-insignificant impediment when you’re resource constrained and moving fast. Even with great communication and good management, having little overlap during the day for realtime conversations m…

Why do people who are remote need to stick with 9-5 hours? Plenty of people hate those times, and would rather work later/earlier, which could well lead to more congruent schedules.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

user5994461 wrote: post #213
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #197

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By and large, Europe does not have Silicon Valley's culture of crazy overtime, living at the office, and spending your remaining free time with your colleagues.

European companies don't have equally nice office, free snacks or pay as top American companies. Companies that hire young driven workers and have a good environment can get a similar amount of overtime and the work all the time attitude.

Free snacks would put me off, it's a terrible idea from a health perspective.

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Post by petepete »

steffan wrote: post #169
manquer wrote: post #137

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Even a vanilla JIRA core on their cloud is slow as molasses, while there is slight improvement over the last year, they seem to be using more react on the frontend in each update. On a typical day moving tickets around , reviewing everyone's items and confluence with its WYSIWHG editor only approach is 20% of my day gone. Just making the UI non blocking for every single action would double my productivity. Their mobi…

What does WYSIWHG stand for?

What You See Is What He Gets?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by onion2k »

NoOneNew wrote: post #136

I have a feeling this is going to end up similar to the "open office" fad. Lots of companies are going to go 100% on "forever work from home". Then in a year it's going to be not so much. That being said, I do believe "work from home" will become more of an option and far less frowned upon by employers. Then again, this is a white-collar problem. Blue collar and a few other industries still have to go to work. But wh…

Why would companies keep their offices if no one comes in to work there? Why wouldn't they sell all the furniture? Get rid of the infrastructure? Etc, etc.

This isn't a decision that could be rolled back easily or without significant capex. Companies that are doing this must be thinking it's a long term thing.

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Post by throwaway1777 »

onion2k wrote: post #355
macNchz wrote: post #248

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I’m a big remote work advocate and have worked with some amazing European engineers. That said, having worked as an engineer in the US office of a early stage startup with a European office, the 5-9 hour time difference is a not-insignificant impediment when you’re resource constrained and moving fast. Even with great communication and good management, having little overlap during the day for realtime conversations m…

Why do people who are remote need to stick with 9-5 hours? Plenty of people hate those times, and would rather work later/earlier, which could well lead to more congruent schedules.

Because it’s useful to actually talk to people even if it’s over video chat.

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Post by sologoub »

sujinge9 wrote: post #135
webkike wrote: post #119

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San Francisco had just as many houses before tech moved in, the only thing tech did was make housing more expensive

>San Francisco had just as many houses before tech moved in That's the problem, no?

This. Basic supply/demand problem. For those in control of that scare resource (Bay Area housing close to employers/amenities), that constraint is pure profit.
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