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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by scarface74 »

war1025 wrote: post #309
emddudley wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in a similar boat and all these rich developers in the SV web bubble fill me with self doubt.

I find it's better to just ignore it. But sometimes it does get hard. My friends make similar amounts of money as me, which is generally what I try to think about. Gotta be happy where you are. Otherwise I guess you could go join the rat race and make the big bucks.

I’m all sorts of conflicted.

Beginning of 2020, I was 45 years old making A little more than the average senior SaaS CRUD developer made locally because of $bad_career_decisions. It was about $50K -$80K less than a CS grad would make a couple of years out of school working for a FAANG or even a second tier software company on the west coast.

Then Covid hit and the company I worked for had an across the board 10% pay cut.

Just dumb luck and being at the right place at the right time - I happened to have a combination of skills that let me slide into a remote position as a cloud consultant for BigTech.

Now I’m 46 working (virtuallly) along side 26 year olds making more than I do. Win??

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by war1025 »

scarface74 wrote: post #311
war1025 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it's better to just ignore it. But sometimes it does get hard. My friends make similar amounts of money as me, which is generally what I try to think about. Gotta be happy where you are. Otherwise I guess you could go join the rat race and make the big bucks.

I’m all sorts of conflicted. Beginning of 2020, I was 45 years old making A little more than the average senior SaaS CRUD developer made locally because of $bad_career_decisions. It was about $50K -$80K less than a CS grad would make a couple of years out of school working for a FAANG or even a second tier software company on the west coast. Then Covid hit and the company I worked for had an across the board 10% pay…

> Now I’m 46 working (virtuallly) along side 26 year olds making more than I do. Win??

I'm 31 making 3-4x what my father ever did.

And I get to sit in an office instead of busting my ass doing repetitive labor on an assembly line day in day out.

It's all about perspective I guess.

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Post by DangitBobby »

digianarchist wrote: post #274
bargle0 wrote: post #258

I feel like permanent WFH is outsourcing real estate costs to the worker. This isn’t a big deal for some, since one may live alone or already have a home office, but it gets burdensome if there is more than one home worker in a household.

I'm OK with this. WFH means I can cut my mortgage costs by 50%.

How?

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Post by hellisothers »

efficax wrote: post #295
tomerico wrote: post #48

Unfortunately, game theory says that remote work will not stay once people can go back to work from the office safely. The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. We could see it pre-COVID in a he fact that there are barely any successful remote offices (let alone individuals). This means that employees would see advantages to com…

I don't think there's any real evidence that remote work is any worse (or better) for productivity than in person work.

I actually thought it was a forgone conclusion that remote work is _more_ productive (for IC work) but the problem is ideation and serendipitous interactions leading to novel IP is more likely to happen when people are physically near each other. Hence the aversion at a corp. level to remote work.

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Post by scarface74 »

war1025 wrote: post #312
scarface74 wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m all sorts of conflicted. Beginning of 2020, I was 45 years old making A little more than the average senior SaaS CRUD developer made locally because of $bad_career_decisions. It was about $50K -$80K less than a CS grad would make a couple of years out of school working for a FAANG or even a second tier software company on the west coast. Then Covid hit and the company I worked for had an across the board 10% pay…

> Now I’m 46 working (virtuallly) along side 26 year olds making more than I do. Win?? I'm 31 making 3-4x what my father ever did. And I get to sit in an office instead of busting my ass doing repetitive labor on an assembly line day in day out. It's all about perspective I guess.

Well, even inflation adjusted I was making more than my parents did combined when they were 45.

But, my mom retired from teaching after 30 years at 55 and my Dad retired from his factory job at 57. When they were 62, they were both getting pensions and social security checks. They’ve been married for 50+ years and retired for 20+ years.

I won’t be retiring before 67...

Again perspective...

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Post by ryanSrich »

ksec wrote: post #249
ryanSrich wrote: post #217

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Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

>Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k I am pretty sure even FAANG dont pay $300K for fresh grad.

RTS and similar sites usually say $250-$300k all in for SWE new grad. Are those sites not reliable?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by ryanSrich »

bitL wrote: post #289
ryanSrich wrote: post #217

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Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

Why would a good European dev work for $100k when they could get $300k?

FAANG doesn’t support remote work. If they do have a local EU office then they adjust for local wages, so you’re still competitive.

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Post by MattGaiser »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #222
MattGaiser wrote: post #51

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I love remote work. But yeah, I have also realized that if I didn’t show up for a few days, nobody would notice. And that presents a long term problem.

If you didn't do any work for a few days no one would notice? That does not compute. What do you do for a living? If I didn't show up for even a couple of days they would send out the police and possibly the state militia due to there being a lot of "village knowledge" at my company.

We do work in two week sprints, so that is when work is noticed. I am a software engineer.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by smoe »

ryanSrich wrote: post #217
cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

So here is couple of things, not a complete list, I would expect working for an US company:

- 5 weeks paid vacation per year(6-7 if we skip regional holidays)

- 13th month salary (that is independent from other bonuses)

- Paid overtime the minute it goes above the agreed upon working hours. 1.5x pay for night or weekend work.

- Maximum hours per week the must not be exceeded.

- Protection from the employer wanting to constantly monitor me, do drug, medical, lie detector test and such nonsense.

- Co-Paid pension, health. disability, unemployment etc. insurances

- Minimum contract termination notice periods and unjust termination protection

- Paid sick and paternal leave

- That other employees, who might not happen to have a as sought after job and thus negotiation power as me get largely the same basic benefits as me nonetheless.

I'd never work for an US company for a 100k given all the stuff I'd have to compensate.

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