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Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by majormajor »

cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

Hiring and operating out of a whole new country (or several) is a bigger leap for a company to make than just "anywhere in the same country" - the places I've talked to are considering making the latter change permanent, but aren't looking at starting to hire internationally.

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Post by momokoko »

errantspark wrote: post #46

The first thing that went through my head when I saw this headline was: "Huh, maybe I should send them a resume." I'm hype if this trend continues.

Hope you like working India(Bengaluru) timezone and working for India wages. Like most that are higher percentage remote, the vast majority of development is done outside of higher wage countries and due to government currency policies are out of reach for those in country with a higher cost of living.

I’m shocked how naive people seem to be in these threads about remote work. There is tons of remote work. There already has been for decades. It’s called outsourcing. The reason you can’t find remote jobs in high wage countries is because no one would be crazy enough to pay those wages for remote workers when they can find the same level of talent for less than half the price.

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Post by majormajor »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #197
sverhagen wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> don't depend on the office for their socialization Could you explain what you mean by this argument?

By and large, Europe does not have Silicon Valley's culture of crazy overtime, living at the office, and spending your remaining free time with your colleagues.

Of course, a company that currently depends on crazy overtime, etc, isn't suddenly going to be looking to hire people who aren't going to do that just because they are hiring remote.

Let's not imagine that widening a hiring pool is going to change top-down company cultures.

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Post by thedufer »

caymanjim wrote: post #223
ghaff wrote: post #189

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Timezones are challenging between US West Coast and Europe. But, at my company, we do a lot of collaboration between US East Coast and Central Europe--which seems manageable synchronously but is probably approaching the limit where it's fairly straightforward (on a frequent basis).

I'm US east coast working for a US west coast client, and that's complicated enough. I've got a few hours before and after work to myself, which is nice, but the workday is smack in the middle. On the upside, I can sleep in and stay up late if I want. On the downside, I often miss family dinners (less of a concern with covid) and there's no long block of time for more than errands during the week. Overall, I like it.…

> I may move to Hawaii when the plague passes, and then my day would start at 6am. That'd be rough.

I know someone who did this. If you're a morning person already, the 5am wake-up isn't terrible, and finishing work at 2pm means you get prime surfing time every day. Not a bad way to go.

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Post by twelvechairs »

cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

Its worth noting Atlassian's roots in Australia mean they have had a long history of working across borders. Both the founders just bought the two most expensive houses in Sydney adjacent to each other so presumably they don't want to be bound by geography in running their business either.

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Post by jimmaswell »

hevelvarik wrote: post #110
jimmaswell wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with Google docs or any of the myriad online whiteboard apps?

Unless you’ve mastered one of those tools, it’s impossible to match the fluidity of thought to text or visualization that a standard whiteboard provides you. I’m also not convinced that there is a tool that when mastered can provide the same fluidity, but I can claim that, and to the contrary I’d love a recommendation.

What is there to master? It's drawing or typing on a board.

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Post by rattray »

mynegation wrote: post #209
caseydm wrote: post #204

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Maybe he can close out this 9 year old feature request to add custom domains to cloud apps: https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CLOUD-6999

The lack of this feature is probably intentional

Did you click the link? There's a Group Product Manager explaining that it's a huge amount of work, they want to do it, and can't do it now. After the lead eng on the feature gave a detailed description of the work involved (20 teams were sucked into it).

Every engineering org has things like this – features that they know the customer rightfully wants and should have, and seem to the customer to be simple, but in reality bring your eng org to its knees.

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Post by war1025 »

scarface74 wrote: post #251
emddudley wrote: post #241

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There are a lot of experienced developers in the U.S. you can hire for 100k too, outside the large metropolitan areas.

I can’t think of a single great developer that you could hire in the US for $100K. The few jobs in non metropolitan areas for software developers are going to be WordPress Developers. Everyone else is going to at least leave for the closest metropolitan area.

As someone in the Midwest, this seems pretty biased to me.

I make right about $100k, which is pretty competitive for the area from what I can tell. It's possible I'm just getting completely fleeced, but I think that's unlikely.

But then again, I guess you can just play the "No true Scotsman" game and argue that I don't count as a truly great developer.

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Post by bitL »

ryanSrich wrote: post #217
cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

Why would a good European dev work for $100k when they could get $300k?

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Post by fma »

bitL wrote: post #289
ryanSrich wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

Why would a good European dev work for $100k when they could get $300k?

Because next to them is another good European dev who would be happy with $100k.
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