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Post by emddudley »

ryanSrich wrote: post #217
cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

There are a lot of experienced developers in the U.S. you can hire for 100k too, outside the large metropolitan areas.

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Post by School-Cotton »

dmitrygr wrote: post #112
webkike wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, cities offer public transportation and a lot of enjoyable things to do. They were a thing before large corporations were seated there.

> a lot of enjoyable things to do That's the thing though. For the next $few years, they offer nothing but a higher chance of infection. All enjoyable things are closed

It seems implausible that most entertainment will be closed for years to come.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

m463 wrote: post #229
cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

> internet speeds are good (due to density probably) ISPs and wireless carriers are the most profitable companies in the USA all with 60% gross profit margin if you look and any of the financials. When my friend was younger he worked for a cable company, where he did installs. He said the capital costs were usually covered in the first month of service, and everything was gravy after that. So. What if in another coun…

Because much of the US doesn't have capitalism for ISPs. It's largely monopolies and oligopolies all around. And not the nonprofit, regulated utility type.

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Post by School-Cotton »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #95
laurent92 wrote: post #68

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Hipchat memes were the main upside of the product, differenciating it from the market. They were 500x500 squares, not tiny emojimemes like in Discord or Slack. You could truely express an opinion. It was heartwarming. Then they decided that they wanted to look serious, and reduced the meme size to 32px. That’s when the product fell out of fashion, because it was just like Slack with fewer features.

Have we regressed back to drawing things on the (cave) walls?? Thousands of years of linguistic progress out the window...

What do you mean by linguistic progress? AFAIK there isn’t any evidence that human language was much different during the cave painting era than it is now.

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Post by Aeolun »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #202
webkike wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, cities offer public transportation and a lot of enjoyable things to do. They were a thing before large corporations were seated there.

This is why I'm in a suburb working from home. I do not want to ever not be near a city with things to do. I grew up in a very rural area and I hated it. There is a nostalgia uptick every now for the simple life now and then and I remember how terrible it was to be around uneducated rednecks and push it from my mind.

Uneducated rednecks are a bit better than educated rednecks. At least they have an excuse.

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Post by summitsummit »

jayd16 wrote: post #179
chronofar wrote: post #99

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> The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. There is no inherent advantage to "working in person." Lower trust or communication or higher friction are not inherent to working remotely, they are the product of poor and overconfident management (at least in tech, given our forum here) and can be seen in any number of environments.…

>There is no inherent advantage to "working in person." I really miss whiteboard sessions and and being able to chat without lag.

yeah, that 80ms lag for DMs to go through really cuts on productivity

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Post by celdon25 »

laurent92 wrote: post #68
babaganoosh89 wrote: post #54

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The memes were also better

Hipchat memes were the main upside of the product, differenciating it from the market. They were 500x500 squares, not tiny emojimemes like in Discord or Slack. You could truely express an opinion. It was heartwarming. Then they decided that they wanted to look serious, and reduced the meme size to 32px. That’s when the product fell out of fashion, because it was just like Slack with fewer features.

IIRC Hipchat had a lot of outages when Slack was becoming popular. I'm sure there was more to it than the meme image size.

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Post by macNchz »

ryanSrich wrote: post #217
cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

I’m a big remote work advocate and have worked with some amazing European engineers. That said, having worked as an engineer in the US office of a early stage startup with a European office, the 5-9 hour time difference is a not-insignificant impediment when you’re resource constrained and moving fast.

Even with great communication and good management, having little overlap during the day for realtime conversations made it hard for me to feel like we were a well-oiled machine, especially with so much of the product changing on a daily basis. It’s very much a complex decision to make, in my opinion.

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Post by ksec »

ryanSrich wrote: post #217
cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

Which is hilarious to me as someone that has hired devs from Europe for a while now. Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k when you can pay an experienced developer from Europe $100k? I honestly never understood it.

>Why compete with FAANG trying to pay new grads $300k

I am pretty sure even FAANG dont pay $300K for fresh grad.

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Post by heyitsguay »

strictfp wrote: post #215
user5994461 wrote: post #213

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European companies don't have equally nice office, free snacks or pay as top American companies. Companies that hire young driven workers and have a good environment can get a similar amount of overtime and the work all the time attitude.

Not so sure about that. I know plenty offices in Stockholm with free food, drinks and entertainment for employees.

This is a total tangent, but I'm an American with a partner from Stockholm, and we're interested in maybe moving over there when that is possible again. Do you have any suggestions or resources for getting to understand the tech scene around Stockholm, especially AI/computer vision stuff? Thanks!
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