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Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by jimmaswell »

greatpatton wrote: post #62
greatjack613 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a clear win for democratic governments who do not send dissenters to re-training camps. From a competitive landscape, yes it sucks. But Huawei / China needs to be punished for its blatant IP theft, I think this is a great place to start.

At the same time the US caused (directly/indirectly) the death of 400-800k people in Iraq. Somehow there is a double standard regarding human rights. China is despicable but I think that the moral ground of the US regarding this kind of issue is quite shaky.

Being engaged in a war and China's human rights abuses aren't comparable at all.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by gumby »

Ijumfs wrote: post #103

What they're not saying is that the Chinese will have to completely shut down many of their silicon foundries because of a lack of specialized chemicals only available from the USA and Japan.

Until now it hasn’t been cost effective to develop internal sources for these supplies.

Now the US has provided an (essentially infinite) price support for domestic production and all the infrastructure and supply chain that go along with it.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by [deleted] »

nicoburns wrote: post #67
greatjack613 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a clear win for democratic governments who do not send dissenters to re-training camps. From a competitive landscape, yes it sucks. But Huawei / China needs to be punished for its blatant IP theft, I think this is a great place to start.

You act as if the US doesn't do this. But it has the highest incarceration rates in the world, often for petty crimes like smoking weed. And it also puts prisoners to work.

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Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by Nursie »

robert_foss wrote: post #10

This is a clear loss for consumers world wide. The Kirin SOCs were competitive with Qualcomm, and now they practically have a monopoly again.

Has Samsung given up on exynos?

There's also Apple doing high performance ARM, but only for their own stuff.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by gruez »

bllguo wrote: post #104
greatjack613 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Through a system of judgement by peers, not a morally corrupt dictator

why does that matter if the outcomes are comparably despicable? In fact that seems _more_ damning to the US people

>why does that matter if the outcomes are comparably despicable

How are they comparable? The black incarceration rate in the US is around 2.3%[1], meanwhile the incarceration rate for Uyghurs is estimated to be around 10%-15%[2][3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_St...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

greatjack613 wrote: post #90
robert_foss wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there was a vote for invading Iraq, or any of the other countries targeted by the wrecking ball that is US hegemony. Yes China is quite flawed, but this attempt at maintaining the status quo really only serves to halt progress.

Please don't be pedantic, We do not have votes on whether the president should sneeze into a tissue or a paper towel, but yes, the president that decided to go to war was voted in by the majority of the population. Please do not try to push the CCP's propaganda by knocking the United States, it only ends one way, and that is all of us being slaves to winnie the pooh

In fact George Bush was selected by the Supreme Court 5-4 because voting and reporting irregularities in Florida made the contentious result too close to call.

It was subsequently found that a full state recount would have given the result to Al Gore. Less debatably, a Gore win would have been the certain result if there had been no racial bias in disallowed votes, and also if the voting machines had simply worked properly.

IMO a Gore win would have prevented 9/11, avoided the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, set the scene for a less adversarial relationship with China, and pushed the global economy towards sustainability with time to spare - and possibly also avoided the economic bubble that eventually caused the recession in 2008.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by trynumber9 »

euix wrote: post #96

Lot of talk about TSMC building a plant in Wisconsin but as far as I could dig up its basically the same as what they already have in Nanjing. A play meant to make them appear like a neutral party.

TSMC's fab is planned for Arizona, not Wisconsin.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by bmitc »

Mindless2112 wrote: post #50
acomjean wrote: post #5

Long term I feel China is going to work around these sanctions and such and end up completely independent of US tech.

That was already China's stated goal in their "Made in China 2025" initiative. > The initiative encourages production of high value products and services, like aerospace and semiconductors, to help achieve independence from foreign suppliers. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025

What other countries have long term plans and initiatives and effectively execute on them as China does?
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