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Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by hungryhobo »

greatpatton wrote: post #59
Nokinside wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely MediaTek for the lower end and Qualcomm's Snapdragons for flagship phones. Huawei still needs license from BIS to use Snapdragons but it should be easier to get.

But Qualcomm is an American company. How would they be able to sell to Huawei?

the US's goal was never to stop selling to Huawei altogether, it's to prevent Huawei from moving up the value chain, i.e designing their own SOC. It's the same reason why other Chinese companies like Xiaomi and Oppo are not included in the entity list. You can bet once they starts to develop their own CPU, or their own OS, they would be immediately placed on the entity list because of "national security" reasons.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by jessaustin »

Barrin92 wrote: post #93
greatjack613 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Through a system of judgement by peers, not a morally corrupt dictator

not sure if that was the intention, but that's not exactly an endorsement of the American people

The claims that we voted for any of the last 14 stupid wars didn't cover us in glory either.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by bllguo »

greatjack613 wrote: post #78
nicoburns wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You act as if the US doesn't do this. But it has the highest incarceration rates in the world, often for petty crimes like smoking weed. And it also puts prisoners to work.

Through a system of judgement by peers, not a morally corrupt dictator

why does that matter if the outcomes are comparably despicable? In fact that seems _more_ damning to the US people

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by bllguo »

adventured wrote: post #64
FooBarWidget wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only time will tell whether that shop is valuable. The only reason they started doing that was because the US pressured them into it — it wasn't for economic reasons.

It was for economic reasons on both sides. Political pressure from the US often has economic consequences. The two things are rarely not connected, especially when you're the size of Taiwan and dealing with the US (your sole protector on the planet, the only thing standing between you and getting Hong Kong'd). The US getting cut off from TSMC supply by a China move was unacceptable economically and politically. On th…

the point is that the plant would not happen without US pressure, so it is primarily motivated by geopolitical concerns. If you buy that, it's not much of a stretch to question how much effort TSMC will put into the Arizona plant, given the mess of conflicting incentives

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by b112 »

hyperpallium2 wrote: post #105
acomjean wrote: post #5

Long term I feel China is going to work around these sanctions and such and end up completely independent of US tech.

Yes. But will they then innovate at the same rate?

I think the more you must guard your words, the things you say, watch how you act, and the more you grow up with this as a child?

The more restrictive your thoughts may be as an adult. The less 'free wheeling', and therefore, more locked into tight, controlled paths.

Further to that, even if the above is not significantly true, there is still the entire "does the work I want to do, the research, threaten PRC dogma in any way?"

And worse...

"Will the work I do, threaten PRC dogma in the future."

On top of all of that, a reduction of international collaboration with others in the field, and so on.

Of course, I could be entirely wrong. But I do think that "restrictive environment" leads to "less creative output", at least in visible output.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by renewiltord »

greatjack613 wrote: post #90
robert_foss wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there was a vote for invading Iraq, or any of the other countries targeted by the wrecking ball that is US hegemony. Yes China is quite flawed, but this attempt at maintaining the status quo really only serves to halt progress.

Please don't be pedantic, We do not have votes on whether the president should sneeze into a tissue or a paper towel, but yes, the president that decided to go to war was voted in by the majority of the population. Please do not try to push the CCP's propaganda by knocking the United States, it only ends one way, and that is all of us being slaves to winnie the pooh

I'm hardly of the opinion that the US is comparable to China, but it seems to me that a democracy that commits a sin is somehow worse than an autocracy that does so.

After all, if 150 million and one believe that killing a million civilians is acceptable and is able to support carrying out that activity that means that society is corrupt.

If 1 man believes that killing a million civilians is acceptable and is able to carry out that activity that means that society is merely incapable of enforcing moral will.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by hungryhobo »

bosswipe wrote: post #12

A plausible start of WWIII would be China seizing Taiwan in order to regain access to TSMC.

i doubt it, TSMC still needs lithography machines from ASML (a Dutch company) to manufacture their chips. US has repeatedly prevented ASML from shipping latest EUV lithography machines to China, I can't imagine the US wouldn't cut off supplies to TSMC if Taiwan was invaded.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by gruez »

renewiltord wrote: post #108
greatjack613 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't be pedantic, We do not have votes on whether the president should sneeze into a tissue or a paper towel, but yes, the president that decided to go to war was voted in by the majority of the population. Please do not try to push the CCP's propaganda by knocking the United States, it only ends one way, and that is all of us being slaves to winnie the pooh

I'm hardly of the opinion that the US is comparable to China, but it seems to me that a democracy that commits a sin is somehow worse than an autocracy that does so. After all, if 150 million and one believe that killing a million civilians is acceptable and is able to support carrying out that activity that means that society is corrupt. If 1 man believes that killing a million civilians is acceptable and is able to…

>but it seems to me that a democracy that commits a sin is somehow worse than an autocracy that does so.

Isn't that what design-by-committee is? Or upper management hiring consulting firms to "validate" a plan they already had in mind?

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