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Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by bassman9000 »

greatpatton wrote: post #62
greatjack613 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a clear win for democratic governments who do not send dissenters to re-training camps. From a competitive landscape, yes it sucks. But Huawei / China needs to be punished for its blatant IP theft, I think this is a great place to start.

At the same time the US caused (directly/indirectly) the death of 400-800k people in Iraq. Somehow there is a double standard regarding human rights. China is despicable but I think that the moral ground of the US regarding this kind of issue is quite shaky.

"I'm not racist, but..."

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by nicoburns »

greatjack613 wrote: post #78
nicoburns wrote: post #67

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You act as if the US doesn't do this. But it has the highest incarceration rates in the world, often for petty crimes like smoking weed. And it also puts prisoners to work.

Through a system of judgement by peers, not a morally corrupt dictator

Eh, I do think the US is probably slightly better than China in this regard. The camps for uighur muslims in China sound absolutely awful. But the US system is anything but fair. There have been hundreds of stories from Black Americans in the last few months about how unfairly they're treated.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by Barrin92 »

greatjack613 wrote: post #78
nicoburns wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You act as if the US doesn't do this. But it has the highest incarceration rates in the world, often for petty crimes like smoking weed. And it also puts prisoners to work.

Through a system of judgement by peers, not a morally corrupt dictator

not sure if that was the intention, but that's not exactly an endorsement of the American people

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by euix »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #42
samfisher83 wrote: post #8

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When you have a billion people + unlimited funds + some industrial espionage I am sure china will get their chip manufacturing industry built up quickly.

For very technical things, having the information is not the same as having the ability to manufacture. Some industries don't lend themselves to catching up rapidly, you have to go through all the mistakes yourself. I think semiconductors is one of those industries. An example (unrelated to semiconductors) is China's failure to manufacture a decent jet engine even though they've been trying for 30 years. It turns out…

That was true about 5 years ago. I think the last couple of years have brought some breakthroughs in China on this front after about 30 years of trying. Not for commercial aircraft but definitely for military jets.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by innagadadavida »

moooo99 wrote: post #53
acomjean wrote: post #5

Long term I feel China is going to work around these sanctions and such and end up completely independent of US tech.

That'll probably happen in the long term. In the short term, China might answer by completely banning US companies from the Chinese market. I don't see anything to win here. Probably every large company, including those from the US, have some kind of production facilities, storage or supplies in China. China applying similar restrictions would probably be a worse hit for the US than the current situation is for China…

I doubt the Chinese will take any rash, knee-jerk reaction here. They are very predictable and will stick to what is in their best interest. Since there is no democratic government either, these decisions are not at risk of changing - unless XiJinping loses a coop, which at this point is an impossibility.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by peacefulhat »

greatjack613 wrote: post #79
greatpatton wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the same time the US caused (directly/indirectly) the death of 400-800k people in Iraq. Somehow there is a double standard regarding human rights. China is despicable but I think that the moral ground of the US regarding this kind of issue is quite shaky.

We are a democratic country, don't support a war, vote for someone in office who does not support it. China on the other hand if you don't support putting muslims in concentration camps, you end up there yourself

Overwhelming majorities in both parties voted to authorize the war in Iraq. In fact, every democrat presidential nominee other than Obama since 2004 voted for Iraq.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by minhazm »

greatjack613 wrote: post #90
robert_foss wrote: post #84

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I don't think there was a vote for invading Iraq, or any of the other countries targeted by the wrecking ball that is US hegemony. Yes China is quite flawed, but this attempt at maintaining the status quo really only serves to halt progress.

Please don't be pedantic, We do not have votes on whether the president should sneeze into a tissue or a paper towel, but yes, the president that decided to go to war was voted in by the majority of the population. Please do not try to push the CCP's propaganda by knocking the United States, it only ends one way, and that is all of us being slaves to winnie the pooh

> the president that decided to go to war was voted in by the majority of the population.

Not actually true since Bush lost the popular vote in the 2000 election.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by dragonwriter »

greatjack613 wrote: post #90
robert_foss wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there was a vote for invading Iraq, or any of the other countries targeted by the wrecking ball that is US hegemony. Yes China is quite flawed, but this attempt at maintaining the status quo really only serves to halt progress.

Please don't be pedantic, We do not have votes on whether the president should sneeze into a tissue or a paper towel, but yes, the president that decided to go to war was voted in by the majority of the population. Please do not try to push the CCP's propaganda by knocking the United States, it only ends one way, and that is all of us being slaves to winnie the pooh

> the president that decided to go to war was voted in by the majority of the population.

“A majority of the electoral college, representing a second-place minority of the eligible individuals casting ballots for Presidential electors”, if you want to be accurate, but certainly not a “majority of the population” or even “a majority of voters in the general election”, and not even “a plurality of voters in the general election”.

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by jessaustin »

greatjack613 wrote: post #90
robert_foss wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there was a vote for invading Iraq, or any of the other countries targeted by the wrecking ball that is US hegemony. Yes China is quite flawed, but this attempt at maintaining the status quo really only serves to halt progress.

Please don't be pedantic, We do not have votes on whether the president should sneeze into a tissue or a paper towel, but yes, the president that decided to go to war was voted in by the majority of the population. Please do not try to push the CCP's propaganda by knocking the United States, it only ends one way, and that is all of us being slaves to winnie the pooh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Clause

You don't see any possibility that informed criticism of USA policy of undeclared and unprovoked war might lead to better policy? American pacifists shouldn't argue for peace? Shouldn't vote for peace? If that is your position, don't be surprised when we put an end to the Union... all of humanity will benefit, but 3.5% of humanity will be sad for a moment.

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