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Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

Thank God they discontinued Hipchat.

I actually liked Hipchat. It did what it was supposed to do - provide instant chat with colleagues - without the overhead and frills of Slack. It was simple and reliable. I'm not sure why it was so disliked.

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uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

1. stop allowing foreign workers into the US 2. extremely portable work goes abroad

reversing 1 won't stop 2 though. I don't understand your logic.

Why would someone go through the hassle of hiring and bringing a H1B at higher salary in USA when they can hire the same person in India at much lower cost.

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uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

Hasn't this been tried before?

not really. When were US workers completely remote ?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not? If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before. I think if this trend of going fully…

> I think if this trend of going fully remote holds up, it becomes much harder to justify living in an expensive city, especially as workers age. There's still distinct benefits to big cities. You can order stuff online fast, even groceries. You get good Internet connectivity, which is a thing that you need for remote work. Lots of services around.

You don't need to be paying $2,500 a month for a studio apartment in Manhattan or San Francisco to get good Internet and reasonable delivery times. Sure, you'll get speedier delivery, and that's worth something, but it's a hell of a price to pay for it.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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The really cool outcome for me would be if all my coworkers get to work from home and I could snatch a whole office just for me (there's a binding rent contract for the next X years still, we might as well use it :P) Edit: this comment was a bit sarcastic, just in case somebody didn't get that.

Somehow I imagine that if I and four other co-workers decided to be the only five to come back into the office, they'd still make the five of us sit next to each other elbow to elbow and leave the rest of the building completely empty.

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I'm noticing we're about 40/60 with more wanting to go back to the office at my midsize company. I'm happily with the 40, but the company is just using this time to spruce up the office just waiting for our return. I find communication and the work being better now then when we're in the office. All the cliques and hallway talk is more online, so I have a better clue what's going on. I wish it would stay that way.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Unfortunately, game theory says that remote work will not stay once people can go back to work from the office safely.

The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. We could see it pre-COVID in a he fact that there are barely any successful remote offices (let alone individuals).

This means that employees would see advantages to coming to work, and those that don’t would fare worse in promo and productivity on average, bringing the equilibrium state back to the office.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not? If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before. I think if this trend of going fully…

> I think if this trend of going fully remote holds up, it becomes much harder to justify living in an expensive city, especially as workers age. There's still distinct benefits to big cities. You can order stuff online fast, even groceries. You get good Internet connectivity, which is a thing that you need for remote work. Lots of services around.

I'd make a distinction between medium to large cities and expensive cities. I don't think people want to move out to the country, but finding some balance between lifestyle and cost is a lot easier to do when you can pull a higher salary from remote work.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

As a fairly new mobile (iOS native, Android native) developer (2 years professional experience) based in the US, should I be worried?

What I'm asking is: Do you think another type of developer (e.g. Systems programming) will not need to pivot?

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