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Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by d357r0y3r »

watertrash wrote: post #11

The article mentions that this will allow the company to recruit from areas where pay is much lower than the Bay Area, but I wonder if this will affect the pay of current workers.

Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not?

If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before.

I think if this trend of going fully remote holds up, it becomes much harder to justify living in an expensive city, especially as workers age.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by Hamuko »

dominotw wrote: post #15

uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

Hasn't this been tried before?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by Hamuko »

d357r0y3r wrote: post #21
watertrash wrote: post #11

The article mentions that this will allow the company to recruit from areas where pay is much lower than the Bay Area, but I wonder if this will affect the pay of current workers.

Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not? If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before. I think if this trend of going fully…

>I think if this trend of going fully remote holds up, it becomes much harder to justify living in an expensive city, especially as workers age.

There's still distinct benefits to big cities. You can order stuff online fast, even groceries. You get good Internet connectivity, which is a thing that you need for remote work. Lots of services around.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by Hamuko »

entropea wrote: post #19
Hamuko wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> once you know how at least Jira works, its a fairly powerful tool for PM's. I'm not a PM and I don't really want to get to know the ins and outs of an issue tracker.

I'm not entirely sure why you'd comment this in the first place? If you're a developer you simply need to login and look at your project, not really know much else except how to click issue buttons. I'm talking from an administrator standpoint. Developers also aren't the center of the universe no matter how much we think we are.

Most of the tickets in our JIRA are made for the developers, not for the PMs or the customer support.

Also, looking at my project is a pain since my tickets are outside the sprint and I either need to go into the backlog and scroll a bunch, or use a custom search.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by znpy »

The really cool outcome for me would be if all my coworkers get to work from home and I could snatch a whole office just for me (there's a binding rent contract for the next X years still, we might as well use it :P)

Edit: this comment was a bit sarcastic, just in case somebody didn't get that.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by arcticbull »

anonAndOn wrote: post #8
arcticbull wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, Victorian warehouses but with snacks, slides and peers.

Don't forget the espresso machine! I wonder how it's doing all alone in the big empty office :(...

I’ve been looking for one for home, maybe craigslist has some gently used ex-Victorian warehouse ones.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by [deleted] »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #9
entropea wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am directly responsible for Jira and Confluence admin/infrastructure on an enterprise level and once you know how at least Jira works, its a fairly powerful tool for PM's. I haven't run into many issues except during a migration where we knew we were going to run into issues. Atlassian's documentation isn't that good however.

> its a fairly powerful tool for PM's That's the fundamental problem. Jira is sold to PMs and managers, not to developers, and it shows. Jira isn't an issue tracking tool, it's a work-tracking and developer-tracking tool masquerading as an issue tracker. The people who spend the most time with it aren't the customer.

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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by rootusrootus »

Hamuko wrote: post #23
d357r0y3r wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not? If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before. I think if this trend of going fully…

> I think if this trend of going fully remote holds up, it becomes much harder to justify living in an expensive city, especially as workers age. There's still distinct benefits to big cities. You can order stuff online fast, even groceries. You get good Internet connectivity, which is a thing that you need for remote work. Lots of services around.

These benefits exist in many big cities that are not also expensive.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by davidw »

dominotw wrote: post #15

uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

1. stop allowing foreign workers into the US

2. extremely portable work goes abroad

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by MattGaiser »

dominotw wrote: post #15

uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

I’m noticing that I am just becoming someone handed tickets who later hands them back for testing. Beyond that, I barely speak to anyone on the team anymore (in large part due to turnover). I speak to my boss maybe once a week, if that.

Government job, so they wouldn’t outsource me, but you could easily give someone else a login and that is all it would take to replace me.

Would be scrambling were I in the private sector in this type of job.

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