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Re: Trying to build the ultimate Raspberry Pi computer – Zero Terminal V3

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Post by verytrivial » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 7:13 PM UTC

Panino wrote: post #62

verytrivial wrote: post #54

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The LibreSSL pages, which are clearly familial, for a long time included "This page scientifically designed to annoy web hipsters". That the design speaks to you says they've got the tone just about right. :-)

That quote refers to the intentional use of Comic Sans, not the overall site design. The OpenBSD project is semi-famous for intentionally using Comic Sans to repel people who seem to be more interested in fonts than in writing code.

We seem to be angrily agreeing.

Re: Trying to build the ultimate Raspberry Pi computer – Zero Terminal V3

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Post by lisper » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 7:30 PM UTC

efficax wrote: post #44

verytrivial wrote: post #21

HN has given N O D E love for the design aesthetic of the presentation and video format recently, but it feels like I'm being fed the details via Morse code. It's infuriating! There is no summary, no overview, no block diagram, just a wall of transcribed prose and gamble on a non-indexed, un-subtitled 8 minute video. I imagine many people (myself included!) will just go "Okay, there a black brick and screen thing wit…

OpenBSD webpage looked just fine in 1998, and it simply hasn't changed since (why should it?)

Because some of the things that have changed in web page design since 1998 represent actual progress with respect to UI and UX.

Re: Trying to build the ultimate Raspberry Pi computer – Zero Terminal V3

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Post by freeone3000 » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 7:34 PM UTC

lisper wrote: post #72

efficax wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenBSD webpage looked just fine in 1998, and it simply hasn't changed since (why should it?)

Because some of the things that have changed in web page design since 1998 represent actual progress with respect to UI and UX.

They're using modern markup, such as header, nav, and footer, to better represent screen readers. There's more use of color as a secondary identifier, while keeping position and size as primary identifiers. That's lots of improvements!

Re: Trying to build the ultimate Raspberry Pi computer – Zero Terminal V3

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Post by verytrivial » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 7:35 PM UTC

verytrivial wrote: post #69

Panino wrote: post #60

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> purposefully ugly I've been using OpenBSD for about 20 years so I feel like I can talk about this issue. If you browse web.archive.org for old copies of the www.openbsd.org site, you'll notice that the current design is from many years ago, back when lots of websites looked like that. It appears that the current design is from around the year 2000: https://web.archive.org/web/20010118233800/http://www.openbs... And…

> I've noticed in this thread that you're making low-effort, kind of rude posts about an important project I'm sorry if it came across like that. I didn't put this comment there to upset you or anyone, but this happens. I was referring to what appeared to be a design choices in how some projects present themselves to the world, not as a judgement around how important they are. I watched the whole video (with some ski…

I have realised since writing this that the topic is actually "gatekeeping". It can feel icky advocating for it. OP is a talented and driven creator who owes us exactly nothing in explanation, but if a hypothetical creator would prefer we at least watch the damn video that can be an entirely reasonable cost of entry. I guess my question was whether it was intentional! Sorry if my OpenBSD comparison clanged. That OS is righteous.

Re: Trying to build the ultimate Raspberry Pi computer – Zero Terminal V3

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Post by enchiridion » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 7:39 PM UTC

dunnevens wrote: post #61

kozak wrote: post #45

I am puzzled why there are no widely available laptop-like cases for the Raspberry Pi, especially considering that now there is a 8 GB version of it. "pi‑top [3]" came close, but it was somewhat childish and apparently it's not sold anymore.

Part of the problem is how thick the Pi's are. They're small computers on their own. But in a laptop case, they're chunky. Much thicker than your average off-the-shelf laptop. Plus, there's still rough edges when trying to use them as desktops. The Pi Zero would work in terms of size, but is very underpowered for desktops. The Pi Compute would probably be the perfect fit, but that hasn't been updated in a rather long…

Maybe even a card like case that mounts to a case?

I would be ok with a "pi bump" on the case.

Re: Trying to build the ultimate Raspberry Pi computer – Zero Terminal V3

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Post by p0llard » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 8:16 PM UTC

dfox wrote: post #31

p0llard wrote: post #29

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> tinker with advanced stuff requiring PCI-E chipsets What sort of things are you talking about here, out of interest? The only way you're going to wreck hardware is if you're attaching something completely incompatible at the physical level (wrong levels, shorts, etc.); if you're "tinkering" you almost certainly don't have the resources to bring up your own PCIe PHY (there's pretty much no way to do this without cus…

Gamers and crypto miners do various nasty things to PCIe cards in order to use cheapest cable possible to extend it and actual hardware damage resulting from that seems pretty minimal.

When I said "incompatible at the physical level" I meant it in the OSI sense of an issue at physical protocol level. An electrical specification mismatch could easily cause hardware damage (but would be very hard to achieve unless you were using your own PHY or literally connecting a power supply to the PCIe lines).

> seems pretty minimal

Is there actually any at all? I can't really see how this could lead to any damage.

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Post by CapricornNoble » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 3:55 AM UTC

asddubs wrote: post #13

antupis wrote: post #5

I would love pocket computer that I could use to programming when I don't have access to laptop.

i miss phones with slide out keyboards

I still have my Android G1/ HTC Dream. If I could get a phone with roughly the same form factor, just a modern CPU/GPU/RAM/camera and bigger battery, I'd be in heaven. Needs to run PostmarketOS or PineOS too.

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Post by Erlich_Bachman » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 10:29 AM UTC

tomcooks wrote: post #12

saagarjha wrote: post #6

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> will essentially make this a smartphone replacement to reclaim mobile computing from the duopoly I think it’s a bit too thick to reclaim anything, to be honest, but its nerd cred is off the charts.

I'd rather have a thick phone than a slim chance of not being tracked. I'll build mine with a metal casing and a GPS for outdoor shenanigans, as sturdy as an AK-47 and as thick as the SCIP

That deserves an applaud, but what about Librem? Aren't they way ahead on that path? Why are you not just using that? Drivers too fresh and battery-hungry for you? But it is going to be 10 times worse with any DIY project...

Re: Trying to build the ultimate Raspberry Pi computer – Zero Terminal V3

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Post by kozak » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 3:02 PM UTC

dunnevens wrote: post #61

kozak wrote: post #45

I am puzzled why there are no widely available laptop-like cases for the Raspberry Pi, especially considering that now there is a 8 GB version of it. "pi‑top [3]" came close, but it was somewhat childish and apparently it's not sold anymore.

Part of the problem is how thick the Pi's are. They're small computers on their own. But in a laptop case, they're chunky. Much thicker than your average off-the-shelf laptop. Plus, there's still rough edges when trying to use them as desktops. The Pi Zero would work in terms of size, but is very underpowered for desktops. The Pi Compute would probably be the perfect fit, but that hasn't been updated in a rather long…

I would be fine if it was bulkier than modern ultrabooks and more like the old-school Toshiba Libretto. The added volume can be used for batteries, overall sturdiness, as well as other creative uses.

P.S. I decided to try and goodle that topic again, and I found one that is coming soon: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=24092182

Re: Trying to build the ultimate Raspberry Pi computer – Zero Terminal V3

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Post by loraa » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 8:07 PM UTC

This is something that everyone who has ever built a Pi has thought about but haven't stoned enough and motivated enough at the same time in order to write a web page about it.