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To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

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Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

#171

I find that if you can't speak frankly and avoid trouble, then you need to give a long hard thought to what you're doing. A terd is still a terd by any other name.

"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."

-- Eric Schmidt, FormerGoogle CEO, 2009

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/google-ceo-eric-schmid...

Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

#172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why we originally had an IETF and RFC's were publicly commented on and why standards are supposed to be company agnostic. The whole proprietary-APIs-over-HTTP was a giant step back. Before we did that interop between internet based applications was far more common and supported. Now every company treats 'their users' as their own private little walled garden when before 'your users' were not so much cows to mi…

I'm not convinced, though there are, obviously, advantages to RFCs and IETF. The primary disadvantage is speed. A private corporation innovating on its full stack can come up with a faster and more secure HTTP alternative for their use case in the time it takes the RFC process to get up in the morning and find its shoes. Google has a streamed cloud gaming service running in its web browser right now; how long would i…

this is what organizations that participate in the RFC ecosystem have always done - they just view protocol-level interop and open standards as important.

Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

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post #149

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And people wonder why kubernetes/Anthos is a thing...

umm, what's anthos? I thought I'm well versed in k8s-onomy, but it seems I've missed this :o And worse, none of the search results are helpful!

https://cloud.google.com/anthos

Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

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Google (okay, Alphabet) is the only big tech company that I can imagine would ultimately _benefit_ from an antitrust breakup. Google keeps killing low-to-medium profitable smaller product lines and tools because it can't spin them off successfully. Google can't spin off tools successfully because their internal codebases are deeply reliant on assumptions about Google's infrastructure and Google internal libraries, et…

It's not even so much about protecting the secret sauce as protecting user data. Every tool interfacing to the Google backend is a potential attack vector. When the time comes that nobody's willing to bear the cost to keep it updated as the core infrastructure changes, the product dies. In a world where Google is split up, that'll still be true; it'll look more like "Google CoreCloud has just changed API foo to prote…

> Who pays for search

who says that 'search' has to be a consolidated system that needs to be paid for?

Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

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What if years later you do succeed?

Regulators are looking for language that abuses an existing monopoly. Intent to create a monopoly is not evidence for the existence of one.

No but once regulators determine (based on other criteria) that it IS a monopoly, then all those internal messages that seemed to agree with that will be used as proof that the company "knew" about it so the fines will be much larger.

Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

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post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not even so much about protecting the secret sauce as protecting user data. Every tool interfacing to the Google backend is a potential attack vector. When the time comes that nobody's willing to bear the cost to keep it updated as the core infrastructure changes, the product dies. In a world where Google is split up, that'll still be true; it'll look more like "Google CoreCloud has just changed API foo to prote…

> Who pays for search If search is of value to you, the user, wouldn't you, the user, be willing to pay for it?

I'm willing to pay $5/mo

Much of India will pay $1/mo

Most people will pay $.1/month

What will the price be?

Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

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> “We use the term ‘User Preference for Google Search’ and never the term market share,” that document says.

Then wouldn't a court, whenever it sees "User Preference for Google Search" or any other similar euphemism, simply treat it as meaning "market share"?

Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

#178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why we originally had an IETF and RFC's were publicly commented on and why standards are supposed to be company agnostic. The whole proprietary-APIs-over-HTTP was a giant step back. Before we did that interop between internet based applications was far more common and supported. Now every company treats 'their users' as their own private little walled garden when before 'your users' were not so much cows to mi…

I'm not convinced, though there are, obviously, advantages to RFCs and IETF. The primary disadvantage is speed. A private corporation innovating on its full stack can come up with a faster and more secure HTTP alternative for their use case in the time it takes the RFC process to get up in the morning and find its shoes. Google has a streamed cloud gaming service running in its web browser right now; how long would i…

> A private corporation innovating on its full stack can come up with a faster and more secure HTTP alternative for their use case in the time it takes the RFC process to get up in the morning and find its shoes.

But...that's part of standards process. It's quite common for the actors like Google to propose a new/revised standard after implementing it independently SPDY (became HTTP/2), HTTP over QUIC (became HTTP/3), Web SQL DB (became dead, but still started the standardization process), etc., all went this route.

Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

#179

So being a monopolist comes with quite the potential costs. Employees now have to memorize meaningless, if not just plain wrong, synonyms. Not to talk about the miscommunication this might cause. Did any of you working for big-corp ever experience problems caused by this language use?

This is standard "avoid risky legal language" training at any big company. Whether they might have a monopoly or not.

Re: To head off regulators, Google makes certain words taboo

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post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who pays for search If search is of value to you, the user, wouldn't you, the user, be willing to pay for it?

I'm willing to pay $5/mo Much of India will pay $1/mo Most people will pay $.1/month What will the price be?

Pricing would be based on value. Someone who's willing to pay X is more valuable than someone who's only willing to pay 0.1X, so naturally the former should pay more.
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