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US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by echevil »

dannyw wrote: post #376
echevil wrote: post #370

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How so? Google operated in China for more than a decade and never got a major market share, and they already did fairly well compared to others. Facebook was largely unheard of after being available in China for many years before finally got banned in 2010. Amazon has been operating in China forever but is basically irrelevant to most Chinese. Most American companies did terrible job in localization and I see no chan…

As a Chinese expat, Google China (back when it was operating) was multiple times slower than Baidu and would get blocked by the GFW arbitrarily frequently.

I was able to use Google fine for many years before it was banned. It can get banned when you search for certain keywords, not arbitrary at all.

Google was about the only one I can think of that is not worse than their competitors, and their own product actually don't need much localization.

However, Google failed the growth part in China. Chinese users won't go ahead and set the default search engine to google.com on their own unless they already know about it, especially those don't know English. The homepage used by most Chinese are local websites like hao123 that would send traffic to Baidu

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by chrisco255 »

rswail wrote: post #302
hiimtroymclure wrote: post #54

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At least in my social circles, this has been one of the few things trump has done that both dems/conservatives agree with. Why would you be ok with CCP collecting info on US citizens and spreading misinformation to benefit a foreign regime?

Please demonstrate that TikTok actually "collect[s] info on US citizens" for the CCP or "spread[s] misinformation to benefit a foreign regime". Please also compare to Facebook/Cambridge Analytica or RT Now. This is a mercantilist stupid response to something that in no way is a "national security" issue. Sure, ban apps on government/military phones. That's truly about national security. But 13 year olds doing dance v…

People share all kinds of private, exploitable information on social media platforms. And social media is a powerful platform for spreading propaganda. Sorry, it's just too dangerous to let the CCP, who are absolute experts in propaganda, have that much influence in domestic affairs.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by dvcrn »

ejanus wrote: post #390
fqye wrote: post #346

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You couldn't be wronger. Alibaba wasn't protected by the government at all. Ebay's then CEO bought a local e-biz site eachnet and relocated to Shanghai but still failed at competing with Alibaba. Amazon bought some local e-biz site too and failed at competing with Alibaba too. MSN was a huge player in China with far more users than QQ when it was taking off. ICQ was in China too. At the time IM wans't a big deal for…

Wrong! How come same companies you mentioned are doing well every other place except in China? Don't you see this as odd?

This isn't an argument. In most countries you have some local competitors that do better than global brands. Not every app has to be a global success to be highly profitable

Korea has KakaoTalk that's undefeated as the defacto chat app (and now search engine and payment provider). It's not doing well in every other place except Korea.

Japan has LINE as it's primary messenger, payment app, etc. It has some foot in other south-east asian countries but the strongpoint is still Japan.

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Post by tonfa »

pjc50 wrote: post #389
puranjay wrote: post #328

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What's stopping Volkswagen from lobbying Germany to ban Teslas because all the cameras in it pose a "national security risk"? This is, by all account, a shortsighted move

Maybe the 36,000 US troops in Germany? EU countries don't get to have "national security" that conflicts with the US to more than a trivial extent, like the Airbus/Boeing conflict. That's been a tradeoff that was accepted since the end of WW2. The US now complains about Europe not having strong militaries, having forgotten that for decades it was policy to discourage Europe from having strong militaries in case that…

> Maybe the 36,000 US troops in Germany?

Do german people really care about those? (besides the obvious economic benefits in the towns where those troops are stationed due to local spending)

I always thought it benefited the US more than germany (easier access to eastern europe and middle east).

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Post by MattGaiser »

puranjay wrote: post #328
tannhaeuser wrote: post #324

I don't get it. It's US companies standing to loose their stronghold (near monopoly) on social, advertisement, and other forms of monetizing the web if the US creates a precedent for "national security" in this way, as in "we're welcoming social networks and free speech as long as it benefits the US and can be searched without warrant." Quite predictably, governments all over the world will be pressurized to question…

What's stopping Volkswagen from lobbying Germany to ban Teslas because all the cameras in it pose a "national security risk"? This is, by all account, a shortsighted move

> What's stopping Volkswagen from lobbying Germany to ban Teslas because all the cameras in it pose a "national security risk"?

Nothing. And it would not surprise me if Germany did it or at least put up a lot of barriers to help Volkswagen.

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Post by orbifold »

puranjay wrote: post #328
tannhaeuser wrote: post #324

I don't get it. It's US companies standing to loose their stronghold (near monopoly) on social, advertisement, and other forms of monetizing the web if the US creates a precedent for "national security" in this way, as in "we're welcoming social networks and free speech as long as it benefits the US and can be searched without warrant." Quite predictably, governments all over the world will be pressurized to question…

What's stopping Volkswagen from lobbying Germany to ban Teslas because all the cameras in it pose a "national security risk"? This is, by all account, a shortsighted move

Well Tesla's sentry mode and sensor suite that is connected to the internet could actually pose a massive security risk. I wouldn't be surprised if they were banned from entering military installations and other sensitive areas, not that Germany has that many of them that aren't open to US military personnel.

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Post by donw »

peacefulhat wrote: post #356
donw wrote: post #337

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The US lost that near-monopoly years ago. Broadly speaking, I think we're witnessing the birth of three distinct global powers. One is centered on the US, and consists (broadly) of Canada, Mexico, the rest of Latin America, the Commonwealth nations, Japan, Korea, Israel, and Taiwan. An American civil war would destabilize this to a large degree, so we'll have to see if that plays out. Edit, since people seem confused…

American Civil War 2 is an impossible fantasy. You need regional divisions in the military, which we don't have. These new alliances don't make sense either.

No, "American Civil War II" is an absolute nightmare scenario.

I would go as far as to say we're in a cold one right now.

I would not have imagined this possible four years ago, but now, given the level of division... yeah, it appears to be on the table.

That's cause for fairly grave concern, by the way.

Imagine that the election goes into a toss-up. Which it likely will. Both parties have been laying the groundwork to contest the election, between claims of "voter suppression" and "voter fraud".

I don't think either team would accept anything other than an absolute landslide victory from the other side. And even then, maybe not.

I could see the Western seaboard (plus Hawaii) seceding in the case of a Trump victory. In the case of a Biden victory, I'd expect years of domestic insurgency, which I'd still call a "civil war".

Either way, I don't see any way out for the US right now that isn't outright ugly.

I very, very much hope I'm wrong, of course, and that things calm down after November (regardless of who wins).

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Post by wonnage »

ejanus wrote: post #359
puranjay wrote: post #328

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What's stopping Volkswagen from lobbying Germany to ban Teslas because all the cameras in it pose a "national security risk"? This is, by all account, a shortsighted move

But if Chinese social media firms are freely operating in the USA why can't the likes of FB and Twitter be allowed same free access in their market. Let's not see this as harming anybody but this is one of the ways to force China to open up and allow foreign businesses(social media) to spread in their domain. Imagine being forced to open a WeChat account just to chat with someone in China. If this kind of business mo…

Yeah, show them the power of the free world by checks notes banning all their apps, which is only constitutionally possible because the app stores are controlled by two American companies, and the ban technically works on the companies rather than banning the apps directly, proving the value of a sophisticated Western legal system!!!

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Post by pinkfoot »

secondcoming wrote: post #320
DSingularity wrote: post #94

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“Intellectual property”. What a joke. Throughout school how many times was I excited by a solution I devised until I realized my same exact approach was already discovered, published, and well known? These problems we are solving first dont entitle is to exclusive right over the solution. We want to kick down the ladder after we climb it. That’s what this is about.

Who is 'we'? Have you not heard of a patent?

Out of curiosity, how many American companies have Chinese patents (NOT USA patents) that get don't get relief after suing the violator in a Chinese court.

Anyone have numbers?

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by wonnage »

Sangama34 wrote: post #256
rapsey wrote: post #252

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Justifications are meaningless. The US wants to curtail Chinese influence and power, so it finds some mumbo-jumbo to justify it.

Tomorrow this exact mumbo jumbo will be used against "California" companies and "New York" companies.

Joke's on you, all companies are Delaware companies
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