US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

Post by ejanus » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 8:03 AM UTC

qkhhly wrote: post #357

jjeaff wrote: post #348

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The fact that we are allies with Germany and that the US probably buys a lot more from Germany than Germany buys from the US. With China, well, they are already blocking lots of American software companies so this would be more of a proportional response than anything else.

proportional? China gave a clear path forward to those companies if they want to operate in China (setting up severs in China, complying local laws, etc..) They chose not to do so and left. Did US gave any clear path how these tech companies can continue operate in the US other than selling themselves and giving the goverment a commission?

Post by knolax » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 8:04 AM UTC

shripadk wrote: post #307

xvector wrote: post #130

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Those companies are free to operate in China if the comply with Chinese law. The US hasn’t issued any legal barriers for TikTok to jump over, they just straight out banned it.

> Those companies are free to operate in China if the comply with Chinese law. Which will never happen. The Chinese know that Western companies would never want to comply with the Chinese law because the law was purposefully designed in such a way as to benefit the totalitarian regime. So they were forced to quit China. This is nothing but an indirect ban. This is very common actually. For example: India imposed a 20…

Post by testrun » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 8:04 AM UTC

euix wrote: post #106

thewarrior wrote: post #97

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Thats how world wars break out.

I might get downvoted for this but I think it's a very real possibility. Withdraw the embassy from Beijing, recognize Taiwan and force a embargo of all Taiwanese/Korean and Japanese semiconductor supplies and components to Mainland China. Then sit back and let China then make the first move. Might not work, but at this point I wouldn't put it past somebody in the White House having already gamed it. There has never b…

Post by ejanus » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 8:06 AM UTC

donw wrote: post #337

tannhaeuser wrote: post #324

I don't get it. It's US companies standing to loose their stronghold (near monopoly) on social, advertisement, and other forms of monetizing the web if the US creates a precedent for "national security" in this way, as in "we're welcoming social networks and free speech as long as it benefits the US and can be searched without warrant." Quite predictably, governments all over the world will be pressurized to question…

The US lost that near-monopoly years ago. Broadly speaking, I think we're witnessing the birth of three distinct global powers. One is centered on the US, and consists (broadly) of Canada, Mexico, the rest of Latin America, the Commonwealth nations, Japan, Korea, Israel, and Taiwan. An American civil war would destabilize this to a large degree, so we'll have to see if that plays out. Edit, since people seem confused…

Post by PikachuEXE » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 8:09 AM UTC

ejanus wrote: post #359

puranjay wrote: post #328

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What's stopping Volkswagen from lobbying Germany to ban Teslas because all the cameras in it pose a "national security risk"? This is, by all account, a shortsighted move

But if Chinese social media firms are freely operating in the USA why can't the likes of FB and Twitter be allowed same free access in their market. Let's not see this as harming anybody but this is one of the ways to force China to open up and allow foreign businesses(social media) to spread in their domain. Imagine being forced to open a WeChat account just to chat with someone in China. If this kind of business mo…