US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days • Hacker News Board

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by woutr_be » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:24 AM UTC

gpm wrote: post #180

woutr_be wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point out some obvious propaganda? And not just some argument you disagree with?

This is frequently an unreasonable request. To take an example from higher in this thread (not proving his claim), you can easily say that CGTN French does not have 20 million subscribers, but you can't easily say that any individual subscriber is fake. The same can apply to social media, it can be pretty obvious based on commenting patterns that there is some propaganda going on in posts blatantly about China, witho…

If you point to a comment that only has pro-China comments, then yes, it could be seen as propaganda.

But especially when it comes to China, when someone has an opinion that slightly goes against the general sentiment, it's marked as propaganda, or a paid troll, just as a way to invalidate their opinions.

Hence why I'm asking, because I don't see any obvious propaganda here. Just people with a different opinion trying to have a discussion about it. And I'm only asking because someone pointed it out without posting evidence.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by ponker » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:24 AM UTC

This feels like the kind of thing that could make sense as part of a broad portfolio of carefully analyzed actions to thwart the rise of CCP soft and hard power, but instead is a one-off poorly considered fit of pique from a self-dealing bona fide moron right before an election.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by perennate » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:25 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #14

TMWNN wrote: post #11

Explanation of CFIUS and why and how Trump can use it: https://www.lawfareblog.com/tiktok-and-law-primer-case-you-n...

Our 70s-era national security regime needs desperate Congressional overhaul. I take particular peeve with the prohibitions on judicial review of CFIUS actions.

Sounds like these 1970s laws were actually a Congressional overhaul of earlier legislation, see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Emergency_Econom...

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by almost_usual » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:28 AM UTC

tmpz22 wrote: post #28

Doesn’t this eviscerate Chinese investment in SV?

No because wealthy people care about making more money not principles or nationalism.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by sozy777 » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:28 AM UTC

OK This is huge. Trump isn't just banning TikTok he's banning Tencent and it's holdings too from operating in the US. To put this is perspective Tencent owns Riot Games (League of Legends) and has stakes in Epic Games (Fortnite), Ubisoft (Assassin's Creed) and Activision Blizzard (Call of Duty). Overall Tencent owns 108 companies across media, entertainment, fintech and education. This is going to be a mess. (universal music and Spotify also owned partially)

Also how will impact companies of which Tencent owns less than 50%?

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by ENOTTY » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:29 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #15

An important note that nobody seems to be reporting on: this is only possible because Apple and Google have control over which apps are permitted on your device. The US government has no legal authority to ban publishing (including apps) in the US. They do, however, have the ability to regulate trade between the operators of the App Store (Apple) and the Play Store (Google), and app publishers, which is what they're…

That isn't my impression of how the web works. The second your bits leave your LAN, they begin traveling over infrastructure that is owned and operated by another private entity. They could rescind your access at any time, especially if the government orders it so.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by dicomdan » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:29 AM UTC

sozy777 wrote: post #195

OK This is huge. Trump isn't just banning TikTok he's banning Tencent and it's holdings too from operating in the US. To put this is perspective Tencent owns Riot Games (League of Legends) and has stakes in Epic Games (Fortnite), Ubisoft (Assassin's Creed) and Activision Blizzard (Call of Duty). Overall Tencent owns 108 companies across media, entertainment, fintech and education. This is going to be a mess. (univers…

White House has clarified that this will not affect the mentioned gaming companies and other holdings. Only WeChat itself.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by sozy777 » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:30 AM UTC

dicomdan wrote: post #197

sozy777 wrote: post #195

OK This is huge. Trump isn't just banning TikTok he's banning Tencent and it's holdings too from operating in the US. To put this is perspective Tencent owns Riot Games (League of Legends) and has stakes in Epic Games (Fortnite), Ubisoft (Assassin's Creed) and Activision Blizzard (Call of Duty). Overall Tencent owns 108 companies across media, entertainment, fintech and education. This is going to be a mess. (univers…

White House has clarified that this will not affect the mentioned gaming companies and other holdings. Only WeChat itself.

Thanks, where is the official source?

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by Rebelgecko » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:30 AM UTC

sozy777 wrote: post #195

OK This is huge. Trump isn't just banning TikTok he's banning Tencent and it's holdings too from operating in the US. To put this is perspective Tencent owns Riot Games (League of Legends) and has stakes in Epic Games (Fortnite), Ubisoft (Assassin's Creed) and Activision Blizzard (Call of Duty). Overall Tencent owns 108 companies across media, entertainment, fintech and education. This is going to be a mess. (univers…

It's only WeChat. Reddit, Riot, Epic etc are unimpacted

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by mdorazio » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:31 AM UTC

sidibe wrote: post #156

"Threat" aside, it does seem fair for the West to reciprocate bans on Google/Facebook etc, but not sure the best way to communicate with family in China now if the western messaging apps are banned there and vice versa

Email? I know that seems dismissive, but people got along just fine before Facebook, texting, WeChat, etc. I suspect in reality there will be an endless whack-a-mole game with messaging services where people use a different one fairly frequently.