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US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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None of these Chinese companies would have grown to what they are today without intense government-enforced protectionism at home, and until China agrees to compete on a fair playing field I'm perfectly fine with them all being banned outside of their firewall. Would China ever agree to let Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Snapchat, WhatsApp, Messenger etc. or any new startup operate freely and make money there? It shou…

>None of these Chinese companies would have grown to what they are today without intense government-enforced protectionism at home

Ah yes, I remember when the Chinese government killed off Vine to give TikTok a head start.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

#152
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Didn't Pompeo say something this week along the lines of banning China Mobile servicing telephone calls to the U.S.? That means if you carry a cell phone from China to the U.S. you can't get roaming service anymore? I am surprised Lenovo hasn't been singled out yet. They supply enterprises throughout the U.S. a lot of corporations that hand out laptops to their employees all use Lenovo.

They ruined the ThinkPad line, please sell it to someone who can restore the brand.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

#154

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More importantly, China has acted unilaterally in the past to inflict pain on western companies in preference of domestic firms. What’s new is the US doing it back. Tesla was one of the first US companies to operate with the level of autonomy they have in China. Perhaps there is some retribution from the CCP, but such is the consequence of doing business with a totalitarian state.

Why is this downvoted? It’s true. Everything the US is doing, China has been doing for decades one thousand fold. Whether that’s right or wrong is a different issue.

CCP bots and troll accounts, coupled with everyone who is downvoting because they equate agreeing with anything that is done during the Trump administration as "Trump supporting".

It is all getting beyond stupid at this point.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

#155
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I think we are already passed the point of any of this mattering. Increasingly the rhetoric seems to me to just be: what matters isn't who is in the right or what is just or fair. Increasingly the only thing that matters is which side you are on. Are you with us or are you against us? It's just dogma at this point. In this kind of environment people that are rational either stick to their tribe or learn to keep their…

China is likely playing the higher ground to see who wins in November. Biden will undo all of this and go back to ceding America’s prosperity to the dictatorship of China.

That’s the thing, I hate trump badly but he is at least partially right in China. The problem is working alone doesn’t work even if you are the US. And trump has no friends left so there is just him going alone. This was one of the reasons for the TPP.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

#157
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What are your views on IP theft by some companies there. Should that be considered first strike by China.

“Intellectual property”. What a joke. Throughout school how many times was I excited by a solution I devised until I realized my same exact approach was already discovered, published, and well known? These problems we are solving first dont entitle is to exclusive right over the solution. We want to kick down the ladder after we climb it. That’s what this is about.

That just means it wasn’t valuable

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

#158
To be clear, TikTok and WeChat are quite different 'threats', both real, but it's not clear how dangerous:

TikTok is aimed at a wide market, and it's a content app - there are two worries with it, data and influence. If they are installed on a significant number of devices in the US/the 'West', and their user data is stored in or available to Chinese networks, that data is available to the Chinese government on-demand. Secondly, if they have significant enough cultural influence, they can use that to promote/demote certain topics or specific content, for a variety of purposes.

WeChat seems to have no serious ambitions beyond China and the Chinese diaspora, nowadays. It's used by people all over the world to keep in touch with their friends and families, and to do business, with people in China, and it's widely-known that the content is actively monitored and censored by/on behalf of the Chinese government. Although VPNs etc are available, it's really the only significant communication and social media platform available in (and into) China. There's also pretty good evidence (although mostly anecdotal, AFAIK) that it's a channel for nationalistic propaganda, government-coordinated action and similar amongst the Chinese diaspora - actively so, beyond the passive effect of censored content.

None of these things are to say that billions of people can't happily use those platforms, every day, all over the world! But they also cannot be completely ignored...

And before anyone starts with "but the American government is just the same!", it's not, it's really not. The Chinese government is a literal totalitarian, authoritarian, one-man dictatorship. However much Trump cosplays as a dictator, and however much authoritarianism he demonstrates, there are huge qualitative differences.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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The ongoing anti China circus through executive orders is arbitrary and draconian to say the least... and while I've been mostly ignoring it so far, a lot of Americans live in China and have money on Wechat. Are they now violating this week's "law"? The actual executive order: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-or... It's quite short and just adds a lot of FUD

I just went to my Wechat to try to transfer my money left in there to a friend. Transfer isn't going through.

I just managed to move part of my money to friends. Try in smaller amounts. Sending a bunch of hongbaos works up to a point as well (then it requires SMS verification which I can't do right now)

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

#160
Since TenCent is huge:

>Video game companies owned by Tencent will NOT be affected by this executive order!

>White House official confirmed to the LA Times that the EO only blocks transactions related to WeChat

>So Riot Games (League of Legends), Epic Games (Fortnite), et al are safe

https://twitter.com/samaugustdean/status/1291576813685108736

I guess Chinese users will resort to Chinese IP VPNs, there's already some to get around geofenced mainland content.

E: much downvote

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