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Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by bobbydreamer » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 11:37 AM UTC

In the last two weeks, there were multiple articles on Jio and whenever I comment something, Google analytics says I have new visitor to my website this hackernews.

I don't know how, this medium article I was able to read and other useful articles asks me join their membership.

End of day, 1. BSNL has higher reach in rural areas after then it was idea. Airtel & Jio are city based mostly that's where the speed is.

2. JioMart is a provision store, DMart is a provision store. If JioMart buys DMart then you can say ok he is here to stay. But buy FutureRetail which already sells only few specific brands not all. So what's the point.

3. Jio University, It's graded eminence but yet to be built. No comments.

May be ban of tiktok could be due to investment. Everybody in the country had Tiktok installed and happily watching all the 15-30sec videos, nobody was using fb. After the ban, in youtube now they are promoting some 15sec, it's not so interesting as tiktok. JioMeet was a ripoff of zoom. Just before a month, JioMeet was introduced GoI said zoom can be compromised, it's not banned because large corporations are already using it.

Ok. Now I am expecting some traffic to my site.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by shi314 » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 11:38 AM UTC

blueblisters wrote: post #72

quantummkv wrote: post #58

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Here comes the copy pasted argument without any fact or figures to support it that appears in every thread regarding Jio/Reliance/Ambani/India or a combination thereof. Frankly, it is getting a bit stale and feels a lot like the standard Redditesqe drive-by factless commenting behavior to gain cheap karma and dopamine hits of raging against the system. HN is supposed to be better. > They can essentially bulldoze gove…

People ignore the fact that even with outsized influence, Reliance will be subject to market and other economic conditions that could result in a negative return on their investments. Mukesh Ambani's brother is almost bankrupt, and not for lack of trying to avoid that. Mukesh Ambani is taking on seemingly unpalatable risks because he has nothing better to do with his money. He has a large amount of shareholder suppor…

His Family consist of Board of Directors. It's ridiculous how SEBI could allow a public company to operate like family business. Board of Directors are supposed to represent minority shareholders, not the majority.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by shi314 » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 11:44 AM UTC

ramshanker wrote: post #27

iamshs wrote: post #7

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And more importantly choke-hold over the government bureaucracy. They can essentially bulldoze government over any rules and regulations, and bribe around freely. This is how Reliance got big.

That may have been in the past. However ever since Modi Government came to power, industrials access to government has reduced drastically. Initial days of Modi, there used to be some fish trap to warn the officials.

How do you explain Sudden Banning of Exclusive Selling in E-commerce a week before launch of Reliance's e-commerce platform?

How do you explain TikTok getting banned when Facebook got away with same stuff?

How do you explain the amendment of Privacy Bill to become something so embarassing that Supreme Court even felt ashamed to pass it?

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by 0xcafecafe » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 12:26 PM UTC

switch11 wrote: post #19

iamshs wrote: post #7

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And more importantly choke-hold over the government bureaucracy. They can essentially bulldoze government over any rules and regulations, and bribe around freely. This is how Reliance got big.

support this 100% if you do your due diligence companies like Reliance (Dhirubhai Ambani) are the reason most honest smart Indians are fleeing the country From things like bribing the government at city and state levels, to 'disappearing competitors' to going after competitors with the sole purpose of killing them off Of course, now with what is happening with TikTok you could argue US is fast becoming the same you c…

Honestly the reason people flee is due to the lack of opportunities as a result of the existing bureaucracy. You are conflating the cause of the inefficiency and one of the ways of getting around it. Reliance and Dhirubhai just showed how to navigate around it. The bureaucracy is a relic of the colonial past and it belongs in a museum.

And I write this as an honest, maybe smart Indian sitting outside India.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by 0xcafecafe » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 12:28 PM UTC

victor106 wrote: post #17

ggm wrote: post #16

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I think this is about as useful as observing Boeing has a lock on the US government and distorts the market with Airbus. It completely ignores the real stories in technology and development which make people invest.

Thats comparing Apples to Oranges. Read the book "The Polyester Prince". The Ambani's got it banned in India. It's an open secret that the Ambani's are the most corrupt family in India.

They are corrupt but most corrupt? Please read up on the Nehru-Gandhi family. I agree that family is shady but calling it the most corrupt is a hyperbole.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by L_Rahman » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 12:49 PM UTC

rakamotog wrote: post #53

When JIO was launched, till it became the behemoth it is today, there were a series of some 20 regulatory changes in Telecom in India, all benefiting Jio at the right time, hurting their competition. When everyone is investing in Jio, I think its that absurdity everyone is investing in.

Which is why I find it better to get business analysis from people who've made it their job and not overly excited tech journalists:

https://diff.substack.com/p/to-understand-jio-you-need-to-un...

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by aravindet » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:08 PM UTC

rudiv wrote: post #48

ramshanker wrote: post #26

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>>> by acquiring the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license. IIRC, that farm was simply a proxy with some back channel deals. Parent Company didn’t want their names in auction, that would have made the auction much more expensive. So they acquired the spectrum trough a front-face farm and later acquired it.

AFAIK the original purchase was much cheaper because the spectrum was assigned for IPTV, not telephony. The government later 'regularized' it, that being a euphemism for being bribed enough to change the allowed use of the spectrum.

Correct, here is a well researched article from 2016. https://thewire.in/tech/the-immaculate-conception-of-relianc...

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by gwbas1c » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:13 PM UTC

> What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

"What is Jio" isn't mentioned until the middle of the article.

Short answer, it's currently the most popular wireless provider in India; and it provides much more services.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by vijaybritto » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 3:40 PM UTC

shripadk wrote: post #81

vijaybritto wrote: post #46

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"Industrial access to govt has reduced drastically"? Sorry, are you being sarcastic here? You read about how much Adani/Ambani are getting from this govt? Also the newly proposed rules for Environmental Impact? ( https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/wha... ) There are two things Modi is known for: 1. 2002 massacre of Muslims in Gujarat 2. Being friends with crony capitalists. This is not an exagge…

> There are two things Modi is known for: 1. 2002 massacre of Muslims in Gujarat 2. Being friends with crony capitalists. > This is not an exaggeration. You can read about what he did in his state when he was the chief minister. Not proved in any court of law in India. On the contrary, the Supreme Court of India exonerated Modi of all charges in the 2002 Godhra riots (source: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/si…

Yeah sorry my bad. It's a conspiracy theory for sure

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by bobobob420 » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

saghm wrote: post #34

bobobob420 wrote: post #22

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What’s the point of censoring a curse word. Genuinely curious ?

It's only strange to me given that what I consider an even stronger swear is used two paragraphs down from that. I'm not sure if that's due to cultural differences though (I'm American, but I don't know where GP is from).

I was just curious and asked a genuine question but instead got the HackerNews downvote. Maybe it is because of my username people think I am trolling?