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OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by kristofferR »

throwaway234101 wrote: post #42
Synaesthesia wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no compromise. Hackintosh is stable and secure now. It’s totally worth doing, and quite fun to boot.

Clover was stable. OpenCore isn't. It'll take a few years yet before it gets to the same level of ease of use and stability Clover achieved. Source: I installed Catalina via OpenCore on a new machine last weekend. It's very similar to installing Arch Linux for the first time.

«Stable» is such a problematic word. OpenCore is stable in the way that it never crashes, but it's unstable in the way that its configuration files always changes for every update.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by fotta »

runjake wrote: post #74

Hackintoshes are very stable if: - You buy the right hardware. Intel CPU and AMD GPU. Choose Ryzen if you like those and like tinkering and hacking on your OS a lot. And no, it's very unlikely your Nvidia GPU will ever work with a recent macOS. - You use the vanilla method of macOS install. The dortania guides along with /r/hackintosh are all you need. Avoid tonymacx86, insanelymac, and any software with the word "be…

> Avoid tonymacx86, insanelymac, and any software with the word "beast" in the name.

Huh. When did avoiding tonymacx86 become a thing? I built my first Hackintosh in 2010 and relied on tonymacx86 but I haven't paid attention to the community since 2014-onwards.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by breakfastduck »

ssijak wrote: post #79
runjake wrote: post #74

Hackintoshes are very stable if: - You buy the right hardware. Intel CPU and AMD GPU. Choose Ryzen if you like those and like tinkering and hacking on your OS a lot. And no, it's very unlikely your Nvidia GPU will ever work with a recent macOS. - You use the vanilla method of macOS install. The dortania guides along with /r/hackintosh are all you need. Avoid tonymacx86, insanelymac, and any software with the word "be…

Dont use Ryzen, virtualization does not work, including Docker and some other apps like Adobe ones are buggy. Other than that I agree. I made a hackintosh a month ago for half the price of what I would need to pay Apple and it is rock solid. Everything works including all wireless features like sidecar, airdrop, etc. Sleep, thunderbold, rx5700xt, everything is working well.

I've been tempted before but am super wary of the fact I may suddenly become stuck on a certain version of macOS because updating it breaks everything.

I imagine you're knowledgeable as you've built one - is that a genuine risk? Or do all versions become hackable eventually?

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by my123 »

aidenn0 wrote: post #83
my123 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS arm64 can run on non-Apple hardware using a relatively lightly changed KVM (and the Qemu-side changes are even less intensive than the iOS on Qemu project). However, it doesn't come without compromises on most hardware. What I can enumerate as risk factors for running macOS arm64 in a VM: - ARMv8.1 atomics are mandatory. This excludes Cortex-A72 devices, like the RPi4, and earlier generations. - 16KB page suppo…

How long before Apple has even 1 proprietary extension to arm64 without which macOS won't run? As soon as hw without that extension is EoL, no more hackintoshes.

For virtualization not an issue, you could feasibly JIT those away.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by throwaway234101 »

kristofferR wrote: post #101
throwaway234101 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clover was stable. OpenCore isn't. It'll take a few years yet before it gets to the same level of ease of use and stability Clover achieved. Source: I installed Catalina via OpenCore on a new machine last weekend. It's very similar to installing Arch Linux for the first time.

«Stable» is such a problematic word. OpenCore is stable in the way that it never crashes, but it's unstable in the way that its configuration files always changes for every update.

That's fair.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

#106

Post by Abishek_Muthian »

runjake wrote: post #74

Hackintoshes are very stable if: - You buy the right hardware. Intel CPU and AMD GPU. Choose Ryzen if you like those and like tinkering and hacking on your OS a lot. And no, it's very unlikely your Nvidia GPU will ever work with a recent macOS. - You use the vanilla method of macOS install. The dortania guides along with /r/hackintosh are all you need. Avoid tonymacx86, insanelymac, and any software with the word "be…

>The dortania guides along with /r/hackintosh are all you need

>Avoid ..., insanelymac,

Where did the tools mentioned in those guides come from then? Hackintosh scene became what it is due to countless hours poured into development by developers from insanelymac, olarila & couple of other Russian sites; almost every other major hackintosh site started as guides using the information from the aforementioned sites.

In fact the development discussion of OpenCore, happens at insanelymac[1].

[1]https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/338516-opencore-disc...

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by kristofferR »

fotta wrote: post #102
runjake wrote: post #74

Hackintoshes are very stable if: - You buy the right hardware. Intel CPU and AMD GPU. Choose Ryzen if you like those and like tinkering and hacking on your OS a lot. And no, it's very unlikely your Nvidia GPU will ever work with a recent macOS. - You use the vanilla method of macOS install. The dortania guides along with /r/hackintosh are all you need. Avoid tonymacx86, insanelymac, and any software with the word "be…

> Avoid tonymacx86, insanelymac, and any software with the word "beast" in the name. Huh. When did avoiding tonymacx86 become a thing? I built my first Hackintosh in 2010 and relied on tonymacx86 but I haven't paid attention to the community since 2014-onwards.

There's a ton of great advice on Tonymacx86 and InsanelyMac if you keep your tongue straight in the mouth, but also a ton of mediocre and even bad advice (like using their "helpful software"). Not to mention the petty conflict between the two sites.

In general you're much better off following advice from the Github guides, /r/hackintosh and Discord channels.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

#108

Post by throwaway234101 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #48
throwaway234101 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hackintosh: because Apple doesn't offer a $1000 Mac Pro.

I honestly would have been fine with a $2500 Mac Pro before I switched my performance computing over to Windows. I'm not looking for a cheap machine, I'm just looking for good value performance and expandability for what I'm paying.

> I honestly would have been fine with a $2500 Mac Pro

The cheapest mac pro you can get with modern hardware is $6000. My hackintosh is $1500 because I do like a fast machine that I can play games on every now and then.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by hashmymustache »

dopu wrote: post #73

It was incredibly worth it for me to turn my gaming PC into a hackintosh, if only for the experience of running macOS on strong hardware without needing to spend thousands of dollars. Unfortunately, I can't upgrade higher than High Sierra, since I'm using an Nvidia GPU. So I'll have to switch to AMD GPUs at some point down the road. I suppose that's what I get for using proprietary software.

You definitely can use later OS releases just need to manually install the drivers using something like https://github.com/Benjamin-Dobell/nvidia-update

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by breakfastduck »

R0b0t1 wrote: post #88
breakfastduck wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is likely a huge part of it. I'm primarily macOS but have a LOT of experience with Windows. I still feel like I'm fighting against Windows to do anything. I just think different people are suited to different workflows & macOS and Windows are very very different to each other.

Having done dev on OSX you are going to be constantly fighting the machine. Apple is worse about walled gardens than MS is. With Apple, you need to do exactly what they want or you will have pain.

My experience is the exact opposite - but we're probably looking for different things.

That walled garden approach is why, in my opinion, the OS feels as good as it does. MacOS feels like a mature operating system that Apple have created with restraint and control - where to me Windows feels like a piece of legacy enterprise software with a shiny UI.

If I wanted out of a walled garden, there's no way it'd be to a non *nix based OS - especially not to one that uses it's start menu to pump ads at me.

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