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Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by reimertz » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:00 PM UTC

0x10c0fe11ce wrote: post #21

reimertz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very fair question. For me, the reason for a hackintosh is just that I am tired of all the cables and having to swap between the two setups (like having one monitor for working, and one for gaming) while utilizing the performance when working. I also want to utilize my iCloud Drive symlinking hacks to sync files / dotfiles between systems. My gaming rig is currently running i4790k with a fairly decent mothe…

Sounds like you should get a monitor with built in support for KVM. I can do that on my Benq PD2700U.

The problem is that there hasn’t been one monitor that support 144hz for gaming while maintaining accurate colors and resolution for working.

This is the first year that kind of monitor exists. :)

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by throwaway234101 » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:08 PM UTC

Synaesthesia wrote: post #39

reimertz wrote: post #2

I bought an EGPU 1.5 years ago with the idea of replacing my gaming computer with my MacBook Pro running Windows. But due to the limitations of Thunderbolt 3 and the throughput from my enclosure, I cannot get consistent frame rates which is critical for playing fast-paced competitive games like Apex legends. It really sucks and this point, my $1000 EGPU is currently acting as a fancy adapter + charger + enabling smoo…

There’s no compromise. Hackintosh is stable and secure now. It’s totally worth doing, and quite fun to boot.

Clover was stable. OpenCore isn't. It'll take a few years yet before it gets to the same level of ease of use and stability Clover achieved.

Source: I installed Catalina via OpenCore on a new machine last weekend. It's very similar to installing Arch Linux for the first time.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by throwaway234101 » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:12 PM UTC

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #4

I never understood the appeal of Hackintosh. Linux has a hard enough time getting touchpad, display, suspend/resume, etc working on regular PC laptops. Does any of that stuff have hope for working well on reasonably modern MacBooks? Maybe this is more for reviving a 10+ year old Apple computer with Ubuntu? I understand that it's kind of fun and interesting but I feel like you're just punishing yourself if your goal i…

Hackintosh: because Apple doesn't offer a $1000 Mac Pro.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by phone8675309 » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:15 PM UTC

reimertz wrote: post #2

I bought an EGPU 1.5 years ago with the idea of replacing my gaming computer with my MacBook Pro running Windows. But due to the limitations of Thunderbolt 3 and the throughput from my enclosure, I cannot get consistent frame rates which is critical for playing fast-paced competitive games like Apex legends. It really sucks and this point, my $1000 EGPU is currently acting as a fancy adapter + charger + enabling smoo…

> Finally, some might say; just buy a Mac Pro! Well, I cannot motivate $6000 Just because I want to game every now and then.. :)

Depending on how much gaming computer you need for the games you want to play, it sounds like the better solution is to just build a gaming computer that runs Windows. That's my setup - a Linux desktop machine (small form factor, running on a machine from two generations ago, it's sufficient for the things that I need to do locally, and if I need to spin off a big compile I have cloud resources to do that) and a six month old gaming rig that runs Windows.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by jonfw » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:17 PM UTC

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #19

reimertz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very fair question. For me, the reason for a hackintosh is just that I am tired of all the cables and having to swap between the two setups (like having one monitor for working, and one for gaming) while utilizing the performance when working. I also want to utilize my iCloud Drive symlinking hacks to sync files / dotfiles between systems. My gaming rig is currently running i4790k with a fairly decent mothe…

You can share a monitor between two computers. What do you on macOS that isn't available on Windows? Really curious.

Not OP- but I do a lot of work with containers and orchestration- and being on a Unix filesystem with native POSIX shell is very helpful

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by whywhywhywhy » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:20 PM UTC

reimertz wrote: post #2

I bought an EGPU 1.5 years ago with the idea of replacing my gaming computer with my MacBook Pro running Windows. But due to the limitations of Thunderbolt 3 and the throughput from my enclosure, I cannot get consistent frame rates which is critical for playing fast-paced competitive games like Apex legends. It really sucks and this point, my $1000 EGPU is currently acting as a fancy adapter + charger + enabling smoo…

I was going to go that route for my 3D work, but at the time eGPU chassis and card was almost as much as an entire PC anyway. Decided to just go for the PC with the intention to hackintosh it but in the end Windows worked well enough for what I was planning to use it for, good thing I did too because now Nvidia doesn't work at all on modern MacOS so would have all been a waste of money if I'd gone the eGPU route.

I'm done investing workstation level costs into Apple platforms, I just can't risk them dropping support down the line anymore. Zero guarantee that another GPU will ever be released/supported for that Mac Pro.

Some might say "Surely they are not just going to develop that whole computer then discontinue it", why not? They did exactly that for the computer it was created to replace.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by jonfw » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:22 PM UTC

throwaway234101 wrote: post #42

Synaesthesia wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no compromise. Hackintosh is stable and secure now. It’s totally worth doing, and quite fun to boot.

Clover was stable. OpenCore isn't. It'll take a few years yet before it gets to the same level of ease of use and stability Clover achieved. Source: I installed Catalina via OpenCore on a new machine last weekend. It's very similar to installing Arch Linux for the first time.

Ease of use and stability are very different things, which often have conflict between each other

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by whywhywhywhy » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

throwaway234101 wrote: post #43

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #4

I never understood the appeal of Hackintosh. Linux has a hard enough time getting touchpad, display, suspend/resume, etc working on regular PC laptops. Does any of that stuff have hope for working well on reasonably modern MacBooks? Maybe this is more for reviving a 10+ year old Apple computer with Ubuntu? I understand that it's kind of fun and interesting but I feel like you're just punishing yourself if your goal i…

Hackintosh: because Apple doesn't offer a $1000 Mac Pro.

I honestly would have been fine with a $2500 Mac Pro before I switched my performance computing over to Windows.

I'm not looking for a cheap machine, I'm just looking for good value performance and expandability for what I'm paying.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by ajconway » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:27 PM UTC

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #19

reimertz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very fair question. For me, the reason for a hackintosh is just that I am tired of all the cables and having to swap between the two setups (like having one monitor for working, and one for gaming) while utilizing the performance when working. I also want to utilize my iCloud Drive symlinking hacks to sync files / dotfiles between systems. My gaming rig is currently running i4790k with a fairly decent mothe…

You can share a monitor between two computers. What do you on macOS that isn't available on Windows? Really curious.

Usually it’s either iOS/macOS development or media editing.

Re: OpenCore bootloader – open-sourced Apple UEFI drivers, enabling Hackintosh

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Post by nutjob2 » Thu, Aug 06, 2020, 1:33 PM UTC

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #33

What are everyone’s thoughts on the future of Hackintoshes now that Apple is switching to ARM?

It's probably 2030 before Intel Mac are no longer usable, which is forever in tech time. ARM seems to be spreading its wings when it comes to high end CPUs at the moment (for example, the 96 core 4 thread ThunderX3) and it's not a big stretch to think that they will become commodity parts for desktops and servers in the near future, especially if Microsoft follow Apple's lead. Given brisk competition and open ARM licencing is quite likely to give x86 a run for its money and takes substantial market share.

Some people suggest that Apple will do some special custom hardware in the CPU that will mean Hackintoshes are impossible, but any hardware can be emulated in software, so it then becomes a performance issue. Maybe your ML workloads will suck compared to Apple hardware, for instance.

I think the biggest danger is that Apple ARM hardware doesn't support non-Apple GPUs, but even then some enterprising hacker will probably accept the challenge and enable a Linux driver bridge or the like.