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Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by kalleboo »

chrisweekly wrote: post #541
thewhitetulip wrote: post #94

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Mine is a Macbook pro 2012 and it is still phenomenal. 2yrs ago, my screen used to flicker. I contacted everyone and they said 'change motherboard' and Mac support people were like buy a new laptop. so I kept the laptop in cupboard for a few months and I open it to check if it works, had decided to sell it and buy a new one and viola, it was working perfectly fine. ~5yrs with no issues.

2012 mbp15r, maxxed out specs at the time (16GB DDR3, 500MB SSD), daily driver for eight(!) years, and has maybe 5 tiny dead pixels as the only sign it's the worse for wear. Current gig requires use of client-provided 2019 mbp16r with approximately the same size, weight and perf. I don't hate it, but it's hard to believe my ancient personal box is about as capable. They really don't make em like they used to.

I replaced my 2012 15" MBPr after 5 years with a 2017 only because it kept overheating and throttling, but in day-to-day use, the performance difference was really hard to notice. Biggest difference was probably in graphics performance when using an external display.

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by ksec »

taywrobel wrote: post #384
BurningFrog wrote: post #308

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> people still buy their machines Sure, but more would buy at lower prices. That said I don't doubt that Apple has researched this a zillion ways, and this price point is there for solid reasons.

Apple intentionally prices a lot of customers out of their market. Their monetary strategy relies on it, oddly enough. If they sold to more people, they’d run into many more issues being seen as a monopoly. Tim Cook spelled it out pretty clearly to Congress when he testified last week; Apple does not have majority market share in any market they’re in. Not in smartphones, tablets, laptops, desktops, or wearables. And…

>Apple does not have majority market share in any market they’re in.

That is his spin. iOS has majority market in US ( over 50% ), and iMessages etc. So it is not a niche.

Of course he would like to use Shipment, Brand or whatever other matrix to prove. Although congress seems to be dump enough ( or not ) to not act those questions.

And that is speaking from an Apple Fan.

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Post by arvinsim »

simonh wrote: post #587
paulcarroty wrote: post #557

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> You want to know how many times I upgraded any of them? Never. I did it several times. Seriously, upgrade is advantage. Some of Apple fanboys can deny it, but better to have that possibility. And Apple SSD specs in 2020 makes me laughing. But I'm not whining, you want mac - be ready to pay premium price or spend time with hackintosh. It's just business.

Oh come on, Toms Hardware did a roundup of desktop SSDs a few months ago. The iMac drives beat all but one of them, the Sabrent Rocket and that comes in at £750 for a 4TB card. So sure Apple storage is pricey, and if you’re willing to compromise on performance you can get something that looks equivalent for a lot less, or something actually equivalent for a bit less. But there are a lot of other things about Apple ge…

But Apple is supposed to be marketed towards people who don't care about specs.

Why did it suddenly become important in your example?

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Post by simonh »

arvinsim wrote: post #603
simonh wrote: post #587

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Oh come on, Toms Hardware did a roundup of desktop SSDs a few months ago. The iMac drives beat all but one of them, the Sabrent Rocket and that comes in at £750 for a 4TB card. So sure Apple storage is pricey, and if you’re willing to compromise on performance you can get something that looks equivalent for a lot less, or something actually equivalent for a bit less. But there are a lot of other things about Apple ge…

But Apple is supposed to be marketed towards people who don't care about specs. Why did it suddenly become important in your example?

According to who? Everybody cares about value for money. Specs aren't the only reason a product is valuable though, of course. I pay a mark up on Apple gear because of the value I get from the software and customer service, but I still need effective tools and that means up to scratch spec-wise.

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Post by emptybits »

__mp wrote: post #555
_ph_ wrote: post #489

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Only looked briefly at it. Combining the tiny Mini with a huge external GPU seems a bit off, and unfortunately, for all the size, they don't integrate any storage space. Also, currently the Mini doesn't offer good CPUs. Anyway, I will wait now with my next purchase till there are good Apple Silicon offerings.

For me, the eGPU setup is not worth the benefits. I am also waiting for Apple Silicon to streamline my setup. I have a MacMini + eGPU. Every time I (re)boot the machine I have to remember to remove the remove the eGPU: Otherwise I cannot enter the filevault password. This is super annoying since the machine seems to have crashed every time I want to use it (even without an eGPU). Previously I used the eGPU with an 13…

re/ the Mac Mini + eGPU + File Vault = no reboot... Really? Brutal!

I was just yesterday looking at a new Mac Mini and a couple of LG 5K monitors (and, thus, the Apple Store eGPU). And I use File Vault. Because Apple.

So is this a known reboot problem? I want to run this Mac Mini as an always-on server for home media when logged out.

Any Apple support links on this?

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Post by tedk-42 »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #590
tedk-42 wrote: post #584

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Well aware of code server. Again if your making a bunch of work around, it gets in the way of actual work. With your rational, I could do development on my phone as a thin client.

> Again if your making a bunch of work around, it gets in the way of actual work. Yes. But it’s not getting in the way that much. code-server is exactly what you were asking for, an IDE on iPad. You’re moving the goalposts here and not even specifying why and where to. > With your rational, I could do development on my phone as a thin client. No. You’re taking my argument ad absurdum. I’m saying the tradeoff isn’t th…

Web IDES have been around forever. They don't qualify as a real IDE. I'm not moving the goal posts. You're making them bigger to fit your needs.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

tedk-42 wrote: post #606
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #590

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> Again if your making a bunch of work around, it gets in the way of actual work. Yes. But it’s not getting in the way that much. code-server is exactly what you were asking for, an IDE on iPad. You’re moving the goalposts here and not even specifying why and where to. > With your rational, I could do development on my phone as a thin client. No. You’re taking my argument ad absurdum. I’m saying the tradeoff isn’t th…

Web IDES have been around forever. They don't qualify as a real IDE. I'm not moving the goal posts. You're making them bigger to fit your needs.

Then, contrary to what you said previously, VS Code never was an IDE in the first place because it's an Electron app, it's built on web tech.

That also means there's literally zero difference running VS Code in the browser vs. the electron app save for the browser toolbar (which Safari hides if you add a bookmark to the homescreen, which also nets you an app icon. At that point this "workaround" gives you exactly the same experience as a native app. Not sure what issues you're still seeing there.)

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Post by musicale »

willio58 wrote: post #533
musicale wrote: post #531

Apple needs to bring back Target Display mode, which allows the iMac to be usable as a monitor long after its internals have become obsolete.

Didn’t know this used to be a thing. I’ve always wanted this.

It looks like the last iMacs with (Thunderbolt) Target Display Mode came out int 2014, but the Retina (and later) models don't support it unfortunately:

https://www.lifewire.com/use-imac-as-monitor-with-target-dis...

No reason Apple can't bring it back - it greatly increases the value and lifespan of an iMac!!

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by tedk-42 »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #607
tedk-42 wrote: post #606

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Web IDES have been around forever. They don't qualify as a real IDE. I'm not moving the goal posts. You're making them bigger to fit your needs.

Then, contrary to what you said previously, VS Code never was an IDE in the first place because it's an Electron app, it's built on web tech. That also means there's literally zero difference running VS Code in the browser vs. the electron app save for the browser toolbar (which Safari hides if you add a bookmark to the homescreen, which also nets you an app icon. At that point this "workaround" gives you exactly the…

No.

I'm talking about local vs remote development. Can you even spin up a webserver on an ipad to run codeserver? Or does it rely on an external webserver to run and build your application.

If you know what a thin client is, then you're effectively describing that for an iPad. Anything is a thin client - even your phone.

Until we live in a remote first world with everything built with that experience, you're just describing another type of platform like this: https://gitpod.io/#https://github.com/eclipse-theia/theia

Except you've made it a DIY thing and claiming that it's a the solution for doing development on an iPad which is clearly false.

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

tedk-42 wrote: post #609
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #607

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Then, contrary to what you said previously, VS Code never was an IDE in the first place because it's an Electron app, it's built on web tech. That also means there's literally zero difference running VS Code in the browser vs. the electron app save for the browser toolbar (which Safari hides if you add a bookmark to the homescreen, which also nets you an app icon. At that point this "workaround" gives you exactly the…

No. I'm talking about local vs remote development. Can you even spin up a webserver on an ipad to run codeserver? Or does it rely on an external webserver to run and build your application. If you know what a thin client is, then you're effectively describing that for an iPad. Anything is a thin client - even your phone. Until we live in a remote first world with everything built with that experience, you're just des…

> Except you've made it a DIY thing and claiming that it's a the solution for doing development on an iPad which is clearly false.

Why not? You're basically claiming that solely because it's remote it's completely unfit for development purposes. That doesn't really make sense to me. Especially with VS Code being an Electron app the browser version is equivalent to the desktop app.

Just to be clear, I totally concede that there are certain tasks where you do run into limitations, e.g. handling files is rather a PITA, but other tasks like plain coding are perfectly fine. And if you can save the former type of work for your PC then an iPad plus code-server is actually not going to cause you any trouble with workarounds.

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