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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by BuckRogers »

infinityplus1 wrote: post #48
Widow wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has an incredible walled garden of apps and things that 'just' work together seamlessly. I remember switching from FF to Chrome years ago as Chrome was measurably faster. The staying power was using Google's entire suite of apps with Chrome. Things like copying and pasting without formatting or searching for strings all contribute to stickiness.

I have to frequently open Google Meet in Chrome because other users can't see my screen while screen sharing using Firefox.

It works fine in Edge as well if you don't want to support that sort of neglectful behavior by Google.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by godelski »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #370
godelski wrote: post #347

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> There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment. Can you expand? Because I disagree. I would rather a company have my name, payment info, and email address than all those things plus other personally identifying information. I feel like a payment model decentralizes the issue and that I would not be tracked around the web. I don't need the WaPo to know the other sites I'…

Subscription based services can do everything that ad funded services can do, but on top of that they can irrefutably link my real name to all of it, which makes their data even more valuable. I don't know many subscription based content publishers that promise not to monetise what they know about me in all sorts of other ways. I do have a newspaper subscription. That doesn't stop them from showing me ads or using ad…

So I do agree with this. But if it is an OR based situation I am less concerned with the subscription based model. When it is "don't pay for service and pay with my data and attention" vs "pay for a service and pay with my data" I tend to boycott those because they are doing the worst of both worlds (IMO).

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by shostack »

clairity wrote: post #87
untog wrote: post #73

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Can you add an exception for the site? It seems like a slightly inconsistent position that you don't mind them earning affiliate money yet you're actively blocking them from doing so.

it seems the objection is to unearned affiliate revenue (for any purchases at amazon for some period just for visiting wirecutter), not earned affiliate revenue (by clicking on a product you intend to buy), which is consistent and fair.

What you described sounds like cookie stuffing and is almost certainly prohibited by Amazon and any competently run affiliate network/program.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by perryizgr8 »

I think Firefox's first order of business should be to focus on making it as good as Chrome first, then focus on other things. I can do all the blocking I want on Chrome with extensions. I cannot make Firefox fast, or work well with the touchpad with any extension.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by DavideNL »

lebaux wrote: post #405
stiray wrote: post #248

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Protip #2, for what cant be traced using conventional methods, they will use fingerprinting and those add-ons take care about most common methods of fingerprinting - canvas, webgl, fonts and audio: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/canvas-finger... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webgl-fingerp... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/font-fingerpr... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-…

I'm using vivaldi, and it seems that https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dont-fingerprint-m... extension is able to block most of the fingerprinting attempts. If you guys know about better "plug-in" solution, please let me know. I don't want to sacrifice basic comfort of browsing though, like disabling .js, wiping everything on browser restart or diddling with uMatrix on every website.

The way I read their product description the extension does not block anything at all. It only detects fingerprinting?

"Dont FingerPrint Me (DFPM) is a browser devtools extension for detecting browser fingerprinting."

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Post by kiwijamo »

m12k wrote: post #241
winter_blue wrote: post #159

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I've gone back and forth between Firefox and Chrome. It's just that Firefox is noticeably slower than Chrome (or at least was about a year ago). Even simply switching between open tabs around what feels like 0.5 seconds , whereas on Chrome, tab switching is instantaneous. I've run Firefox in multi-process mode (since that was an option), but even with it, in general it seems like Firefox gets noticeably slower than C…

Are you on macOS? I held off on switching until a rendering optimization landed a bit less than a year ago, which brought Firefox up to par with Chrome.

I only have 8GB, and its also instant for me. Performance is generally very good across the board. Only trouble I have is with certain Google properties... I do wonder why...!

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by kiwijamo »

infinityplus1 wrote: post #48
Widow wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has an incredible walled garden of apps and things that 'just' work together seamlessly. I remember switching from FF to Chrome years ago as Chrome was measurably faster. The staying power was using Google's entire suite of apps with Chrome. Things like copying and pasting without formatting or searching for strings all contribute to stickiness.

I have to frequently open Google Meet in Chrome because other users can't see my screen while screen sharing using Firefox.

Interestingly, when we had lockdown in my country I tried using Google Meets in Chrome and it just shat itself. Switched to Firefox and Meets worked so much better in Firefox. Very strange...

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by kiwijamo »

twblalock wrote: post #131
tdhz77 wrote: post #23

I keep encouraging people to use Firefox over the others. My efforts keep failing. Mozilla’s focus on privacy is important and should be to others. People have been burned in the past and are willing to give up privacy for something that just works. The irony.

I have several reasons for not using Firefox: Font rendering looks non-native on most platforms. Scrolling behavior seems non-native on most platforms. The combined location/search bar seems slower, and gives less useful results, than the same feature in other browsers. Inferior developer tools. Mozilla's marketing portraying itself as the white knight of the open web is tiresome and contradicted by past behavior. Po…

Your font rendering remark stands out as a odd remark. I use Firefox as a daily driver across my own PC (Windows), my work laptop (Mac) and on my phone (Android). Font rendering looks fine across all three platforms. Perhaps it seems better to me because Firefox renders things the same way across all platforms (even if it differs from native)? I think I quite like how Firefox renders things the same way regardless of which device I am using. Makes it easier for me to context switch between my devices.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by kiwijamo »

bishalb wrote: post #49
tdhz77 wrote: post #23

I keep encouraging people to use Firefox over the others. My efforts keep failing. Mozilla’s focus on privacy is important and should be to others. People have been burned in the past and are willing to give up privacy for something that just works. The irony.

I would use it regularly if it weren't noticably slower than Chrome and in many cases unresponsive (I get the yellow bar at the top that says site isn't responding or something like that, when the same site opens fine on chrome). I have the developer edition installed and am logged in via alternate profiles on some sites there. Often times, it displays a blank for a few seconds on heavy sites(with just 2 tabs open) b…

That is really strange. I run Firefox on two different machines (plus my phone). One is my PC which is several years old and the other is my work's Mac which is also showing its age. Yet Firefox runs pretty fast on both (while other apps struggle, especially on my work Mac). I rarely see that yellow bar during typical usage...

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

rglullis wrote: post #390
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #375

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>Their advertisement network is only one and that uses the browser, but there is nothing stopping any one else to create a similar alternative. Does Brave support a way for other ad networks to integrate into their BAT system? If not, any competitor would first have to popularise their own web browser.

There is no "their BAT system". It's all on the blockchain. BAT is just a token like any other on the Ethereum chain. The "easiest" way to acquire at the moment is by using the Browser and setting up the wallet, but if you don't want to that you can just go any exchange and trade it. Or you can have a website and accept it as payment. I am sorry if I made you on focus on the specifics of Brave when the point of my or…

> There is no "their BAT system". It's all on the blockchain.

What I mean is Brave‘s specific Browser integration that creates a compensation scheme for publishers. I would only support such a system if it doesn‘t put Brave a privileged gatekeeper position.

I’m not sure which other alternatives you‘re talking about specifically, but I have explained many times elsewhere in this debate why I see subscription based services as an additional loss of privacy and why I don‘t believe that there can ever be a widely used general purpose system of anonymous electronic payments.

But I do believe that a Brave style system could work if it can be structured in away that does not allow one company to impose content restrictions.

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