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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

Shared404 wrote: post #315
AsyncAwait wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One solution for this, at least for search, would be to use something like https://github.com/benbusby/whoogle-search

I've also found DDG to be more then adequate for search. The issue I had more often is random captcha's for sites I actually need to use not letting me through. (Thanks school). My solution for this is to keep de-googled Chromium installed, and just use it when I run across these sites.

I've used DDG for about a year straight now, it's adequate but I find myself needing a !g at least once a day. Searching DDG for error messages & recent events from the news tab are really lagging behind what Google provides unfortunately.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by xref »

untog wrote: post #73
xref wrote: post #68

Hopefully this will make affiliate-link based sites like Wirecutter change their ways. I dont mind them earning affiliate money but I can’t even click a link at Wirecutter anymore since their bounce redirect to Amazon or wherever is totally blocked by my DNS settings originally via AdGuard now via nextdns.io

Can you add an exception for the site? It seems like a slightly inconsistent position that you don't mind them earning affiliate money yet you're actively blocking them from doing so.

They would earn the affiliate money if they sent me directly to Amazon, that isn’t blocked by privacy dns. But they don’t send me to Amazon directly as many other affiliate sites do, they bounce me through some 3rd party affiliate wrappers before ultimately landing me on Amazon.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by weikju »

jimmaswell wrote: post #326
catalogia wrote: post #259

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Disable it then, just because you're apathetic to such matters doesn't mean the application should assume everybody is. >inconvenience It's seriously doubtful you or any other user will notice any negative ramifications from third party cookies being deleted, because there basically are none.

We'll notice the inconvenience when more services get paywalled due to not being able to make enough ad money.

then they should show ads without all the tracking...

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by lebaux »

stiray wrote: post #248
typon wrote: post #130

My friend who works in an adtech company: "Protip: Use Firefox instead of Chrome. We get very little data from Firefox users"

Protip #2, for what cant be traced using conventional methods, they will use fingerprinting and those add-ons take care about most common methods of fingerprinting - canvas, webgl, fonts and audio: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/canvas-finger... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webgl-fingerp... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/font-fingerpr... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-…

I'm using vivaldi, and it seems that

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dont-fingerprint-m...

extension is able to block most of the fingerprinting attempts. If you guys know about better "plug-in" solution, please let me know.

I don't want to sacrifice basic comfort of browsing though, like disabling .js, wiping everything on browser restart or diddling with uMatrix on every website.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by jm4 »

tdhz77 wrote: post #23

I keep encouraging people to use Firefox over the others. My efforts keep failing. Mozilla’s focus on privacy is important and should be to others. People have been burned in the past and are willing to give up privacy for something that just works. The irony.

I've been using Firefox since it was called Phoenix and I used Mozilla before that. I'm pretty annoyed with Firefox lately. There's the pocket junk, the significantly worse battery life, the DOH stuff really pisses me off. How can they pitch themselves as the privacy browser when they siphon off my DNS traffic by default? Why does anyone give them a free pass on that? About the only thing they have going for them is they're not Chrome and that's not saying much. Lately, I find myself spending much more time in other browsers to see if one of them can become my daily driver. I fear that Firefox is becoming irrelevant.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by BuckRogers »

Zenbit_UX wrote: post #401
Shared404 wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've also found DDG to be more then adequate for search. The issue I had more often is random captcha's for sites I actually need to use not letting me through. (Thanks school). My solution for this is to keep de-googled Chromium installed, and just use it when I run across these sites.

I've used DDG for about a year straight now, it's adequate but I find myself needing a !g at least once a day. Searching DDG for error messages & recent events from the news tab are really lagging behind what Google provides unfortunately.

I use !sp if I want to see Google results. I only use it two or three times a year for critical searches that I want more than one result set for but it may suit your needs. Google News is pretty good but I prefer Inoreader anyway, !ddgn is usually good enough for me, for specific news searches.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by zamadatix »

Angeo34 wrote: post #304
zamadatix wrote: post #163

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Percentage wise adblock users or Firefox users total to about 10% of users so it really depends on the target user demographic to say whether or not you need to specially account that those users aren't being reflected. Coding tools probably. Game for a social website probably not. Also depends on the financial model, if it's primarily ad based then the group of users you don't have good ad data for isn't something y…

While that number may be true you have to keep in mind that more than 50% of global FF users are based in DACH and by extension the rest of German speaking Europe (i.e. Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Switzerland).

Ignoring that the DACH region only has ~100 million people and that if every last man woman and child were monthly FF users it still wouldn't be half of 210 million users... according to Mozilla's own stats at https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity regional MAU is:

10M Brazil

13M China

12M France

20M Germany

12M India

9M Indonesia

6M Italy

7M Poland

7M Russia

30M United States

It's honestly a bit frustrating how even on HN everyone thinks they know who around the world uses something more than the actual public data on it. On one hand you have people insisting the data is missing huge swaths of people and on the other you have people insisting a region has over half the users when that would be less than half the users according to the very data the other person is trying to say is missing lots of people!

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by zamadatix »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #199
zamadatix wrote: post #163

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Percentage wise adblock users or Firefox users total to about 10% of users so it really depends on the target user demographic to say whether or not you need to specially account that those users aren't being reflected. Coding tools probably. Game for a social website probably not. Also depends on the financial model, if it's primarily ad based then the group of users you don't have good ad data for isn't something y…

I've run both Google Analytics and my own back-end analytics on the same site and found GA missing over 1/3 of my total non-bot traffic. Most of that traffic was Firefox.

Would be curious which site that was and if it falls into the target demographic stuff mentioned.

Also to note the above % for FF share isn't just from 3rd party analytics anyways, places like Wikimedia report similar numbers. Different services different amounts but again, target demographic usually and not by much unless it's extremely tech niche or something.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by BuckRogers »

Chirael wrote: post #153
Widow wrote: post #38

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Google has an incredible walled garden of apps and things that 'just' work together seamlessly. I remember switching from FF to Chrome years ago as Chrome was measurably faster. The staying power was using Google's entire suite of apps with Chrome. Things like copying and pasting without formatting or searching for strings all contribute to stickiness.

I use Google apps in Edge, and nothing else in Edge. I use Firefox for all other web browsing, and avoid doing anything Google related in Firefox. I won't install Chrome on my machine at all and don't need to - Edge is good enough, now that it's Chromium-based.

I use Edge similarly. I'm glad it's here and it's good because Firefox keeps losing share and I'm glad I have a second browser now from a major vendor that I could live with if developers stop testing with FF or if too many sites are broken using it for any reason.
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