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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by squarefoot »

mderazon wrote: post #318
Angeo34 wrote: post #299

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Google captcha works by uniquely identifying you. The easier Google can track you the easier your captcha. That's why it's nearly impossible to solve captcha with resistfingerprint on (ie tor mode)

Wow didn't know that. Do you have a source? How do they decide which captcha is harder ?

The parent used wrong phrasing but it's real. The captchas don't become harder to solve but longer. If Google detects you're blocking trackers (or possibly cookies) it will throw at you an huge number of captchas until you give up. Imagine having to click like 12 panels of street lights, cars, bicycles, trucks, buses, etc. sometimes multiple times. This is getting out of control, really. I miss so much the Web 1.0 from 1999.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by rglullis »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #314
rglullis wrote: post #313

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Look into Brave, then. The ads are less annoying, do not invade your privacy and you can contribute anonymously to any site that is a registered publisher or content creator. They will certainly make more money from you if you do that instead of going through all of the middlemen involved in ad-tech. Also important: start asking websites that need to take payment to provide a cryptocurrency alternative. Something bas…

Maybe I don't understand Brave well enough, but wouldn't I just help create another all powerful gatekeeper? I don't believe cryptocurrencies will work. As soon as they become widespread they will be banned or regulated just like other forms of electronic payment, including know your customer rules. For the moment, I don't see that we really have the tools to replace ads, much as I would like that.

> wouldn't I just help create another all powerful gatekeeper?

No. The biggest claim of Brave is that all of the information for ad matching is in the browser. So they can not control it. The only thing that Brave can control at the moment is the on-boarding ramps - i.e, if you want to take your BAT out of their wallet and to your own, you need to go through KYC via Uphold.com. But you can pay and contribute BAT to other people even if you haven't done KYC.

Even in this case, the KYC that needs to be done is only with Uphold. After you take out your tokens you are free to spend them however you want and no one will ask you anything.

> I don't believe cryptocurrencies will work

They already do.

> regulated just like other forms of electronic payment, including know your customer rules.

Even in this libertarian nightmare that you are imagining, crypto would more likely help you to keep your data away from businesses and third-parties. If every transaction needs to be authorized and monitored by the government or central authority, then there is no need for the business to collect any information from you - all they would need is to ensure that you are sending your payment from a government-validated address.

Governments don't do that today due to the sheer costs of trying to run such an operation. But tracking things on the blockchain is reasonably easy, so there would be no need for banks and third-parties to do the dirty work for them.

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Post by ysavir »

tarkin2 wrote: post #118
ysavir wrote: post #12

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I think it means that 3rd party cookies will be deleted in 24 hours unless you visited the site of origin in the last 45 days. So if you get a 3rd party cookie from www.marketingsite.com, but never visited that site, it will be deleted in 24 hours. But if you get a 3rd party cookie from facebook, and you're a semi-active facebook user, the cookie will be kept.

I don't think it's only third party cookies. But all cookies if you've only visited the site once once in 24 hours. The article mentions you get redirected to a website before going to your destination, so the third-party cookie is no longer 'third' but 'first' since you (unbeknownst to you) visited the site.

Looks like we're both not entirely correct (and probably both skipped the security blog posts!).

In the security blog post, they explicitly say "An origin will be cleared if it [...] is classified as a tracker in our Tracking Protection list" and "[has] No origin with the same base domain (eTLD+1) has a user-interaction permission".

So it's not a catch-all for any and all redirect trackers, just those Mozilla knows about, and whitelists trackers that are first-party in spirit. I do wish they didn't frame it as "we're blocking redirect trackers" but instead as "we extended our tracking blacklist to include known redirect trackers, unless we have a good reason to think you allow them".

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Post by davidgerard »

typon wrote: post #192
jdashg wrote: post #173

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Hi! We at Mozilla certainly don't see that! I'm at 815 tabs in this window alone and switching is instantaneous. Did you happen to file a bug report about this atypical behavior?

Hey Mozilla Employee, Could you guys please add a feature where any link opened from within a container opens in the same container category? (Like if i'm in Personal, I stay in Personal unless I explictly opt-out)? It's such a pain to constantly right-click and open tabs. Thanks :)

links opening in the same container is the default behaviour ... what precisely are you doing that this isn't working?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by rightbyte »

newen wrote: post #245
llarsson wrote: post #233

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Alternatively, only 1/3 of Firefox users that also do not disable telemetry have any add-ons at all. More than a handful choose that browser for privacy, including keeping stuff private from Mozilla.

Yeah, first thing I do when I install Firefox is disable telemetry and install uBlock.

Is it opt out or do you choose in the installer? I forgot.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

rglullis wrote: post #332
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I don't understand Brave well enough, but wouldn't I just help create another all powerful gatekeeper? I don't believe cryptocurrencies will work. As soon as they become widespread they will be banned or regulated just like other forms of electronic payment, including know your customer rules. For the moment, I don't see that we really have the tools to replace ads, much as I would like that.

> wouldn't I just help create another all powerful gatekeeper? No. The biggest claim of Brave is that all of the information for ad matching is in the browser. So they can not control it. The only thing that Brave can control at the moment is the on-boarding ramps - i.e, if you want to take your BAT out of their wallet and to your own, you need to go through KYC via Uphold.com. But you can pay and contribute BAT to o…

Could Brave not impose content restrictions on publishers just like app stores?

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Post by criddell »

Jonnax wrote: post #261
criddell wrote: post #238

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FWIW, Firefox is slower for me on certain pages. I keep Chrome installed for things like Google Docs. For example, in the word processor, it tries to save the document every few keystrokes and Firefox will hang for 5-10 seconds whereas on Chrome it's so fast it isn't noticeable.

Well we know that Google would put elements on YouTube to prevent Edge from using hardware acceleration. So there might be a factor there. But perhaps it could be an add-on. I discovered that Lastpass injection feature to autofilled had a performance impact. Switched to Bitwarden and it was noticibly faster.

I use LastPass but I have it installed in Chrome and Firefox, so I don't think that's going to be it.

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Post by sildur »

ignoramous wrote: post #281
danShumway wrote: post #275

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> already includes many of these Make sure you turn them on though! Firefox by default doesn't block canvas fingerprinting, that's a setting you need to enable in `about:config` under the `privacy.resistFingerprinting` section.

I've been treated with endless Google Captchas with that setting, and they get very difficult with each passing day, never mind the time-sink.

I use buster. It fetchs the audio captcha and sends it back to google for speech recognition: https://github.com/dessant/buster

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by surround »

stiray wrote: post #248
typon wrote: post #130

My friend who works in an adtech company: "Protip: Use Firefox instead of Chrome. We get very little data from Firefox users"

Protip #2, for what cant be traced using conventional methods, they will use fingerprinting and those add-ons take care about most common methods of fingerprinting - canvas, webgl, fonts and audio: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/canvas-finger... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webgl-fingerp... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/font-fingerpr... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-…

While these addons may help against help prevent some fingerprinting attempts, they do not adequately reduce the fingerprint to be non-unique. They certainly won’t hurt, though (many websites just take a hash of the canvas).

It’s very difficult to have a non-unique fingerprint. Your browser would have to be the exactly the same as a bunch of other people. At the moment (AFAIK), this is only possible with Tor (all Tor users have the same browser fingerprint.)

You don’t have to worry about this too much, though. Firefox and uBlock Origin blacklist many fingerprinting scripts.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by newen »

rightbyte wrote: post #335
newen wrote: post #245

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Yeah, first thing I do when I install Firefox is disable telemetry and install uBlock.

Is it opt out or do you choose in the installer? I forgot.

You have install, then go to the privacy settings and opt out.
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