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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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I love uMatrix. It removes all annoyances like customer support popups, chat bots, basically anything other than the main domain. It is high maintainance, only if you visit many new sites every day. For a single site/domain, set it once and go. There are built in 'recipes' allowing YT embeds, twitter embeds, google capthas if a site wants it. Once you globally whitelist CDN's (cloudflare and others), it's enough. For…

What are these recipes? Video embeds and captchas are my biggest headaches with it now.

https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix/wiki/Ruleset-recipes

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Even less data if you use uBlock Origin and possibly uMatrix (which is very high maintenance, but also reveals the utter insanity of the web). Without an adblocker the internet is such a slow heap of trash that I'd never go back to not using one. This is also one of the main reasons I use my iPhone so little, since it doesn't really have any way to adblock.

There are two solutions I’ve used: 1. Content blockers for safari are sold in the App Store. Not bad. 2. A private Pinole instance on a vps. Just set your phone to connect to it. There are turnkey docker installs of this now. Neither are perfect / have quirks. I def recommend pinhole. I thought it would be a pain to set up, it wasn’t and it’s great.

Pihole or NextDNS. The latter is nice because you can quickly toggle it on or off in the event that adblocking breaks something.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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post #175

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Anecdotal, but I've pushed close friends who are reasonably technical to install an ad blocker. Without my urging, they wouldn't have had one at all. When I come across someone who doesn't adblock, it surprises me, but it really shouldn't, as it seems most people don't have an ad blocker.

I still don't use an ad blocker. I know all the arguments for ad blocking and I agree with many of them. I know what difference it makes in terms of performance and annoyance. But I just can't bring myself to indiscriminately block all ads, knowing how important they are as a funding source for the websites I use. There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment.

Look into Brave, then. The ads are less annoying, do not invade your privacy and you can contribute anonymously to any site that is a registered publisher or content creator. They will certainly make more money from you if you do that instead of going through all of the middlemen involved in ad-tech.

Also important: start asking websites that need to take payment to provide a cryptocurrency alternative. Something based on Ethereum blockchain preferably, given that is possible to easily get stable-tokens (meaning, no volatity risk) and that is on its way to get rid of Proof-of-Work.

The ad-based economy needs to die and we already have the tools to kill it. All we need now is to stop with the excuses and take action.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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I still don't use an ad blocker. I know all the arguments for ad blocking and I agree with many of them. I know what difference it makes in terms of performance and annoyance. But I just can't bring myself to indiscriminately block all ads, knowing how important they are as a funding source for the websites I use. There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment.

Look into Brave, then. The ads are less annoying, do not invade your privacy and you can contribute anonymously to any site that is a registered publisher or content creator. They will certainly make more money from you if you do that instead of going through all of the middlemen involved in ad-tech. Also important: start asking websites that need to take payment to provide a cryptocurrency alternative. Something bas…

Maybe I don't understand Brave well enough, but wouldn't I just help create another all powerful gatekeeper?

I don't believe cryptocurrencies will work. As soon as they become widespread they will be banned or regulated just like other forms of electronic payment, including know your customer rules.

For the moment, I don't see that we really have the tools to replace ads, much as I would like that.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Google bullies you with Captchas if you have `privacy.resistFingerprinting` on.

One solution for this, at least for search, would be to use something like https://github.com/benbusby/whoogle-search

I've also found DDG to be more then adequate for search.

The issue I had more often is random captcha's for sites I actually need to use not letting me through. (Thanks school).

My solution for this is to keep de-googled Chromium installed, and just use it when I run across these sites.

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Hi! We at Mozilla certainly don't see that! I'm at 815 tabs in this window alone and switching is instantaneous. Did you happen to file a bug report about this atypical behavior?

FWIW, Firefox is slower for me on certain pages. I keep Chrome installed for things like Google Docs. For example, in the word processor, it tries to save the document every few keystrokes and Firefox will hang for 5-10 seconds whereas on Chrome it's so fast it isn't noticeable.

At this point I use Chrome only for Google Meet. It works in FF ok, but I've had audio problems and general performance issues that just don't show up in Chrome.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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post #175

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Anecdotal, but I've pushed close friends who are reasonably technical to install an ad blocker. Without my urging, they wouldn't have had one at all. When I come across someone who doesn't adblock, it surprises me, but it really shouldn't, as it seems most people don't have an ad blocker.

I still don't use an ad blocker. I know all the arguments for ad blocking and I agree with many of them. I know what difference it makes in terms of performance and annoyance. But I just can't bring myself to indiscriminately block all ads, knowing how important they are as a funding source for the websites I use. There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment.

I use no-script + privacy badger.

If a site wants to use adds that will work despite, I have no issues seeing them. The extensions block pretty much any I would find unethical.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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I've been treated with endless Google Captchas with that setting, and they get very difficult with each passing day, never mind the time-sink.

Google captcha works by uniquely identifying you. The easier Google can track you the easier your captcha. That's why it's nearly impossible to solve captcha with resistfingerprint on (ie tor mode)

Wow didn't know that. Do you have a source?

How do they decide which captcha is harder ?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Firefox already includes many of these, some of those plugins are redundant or unnecessary.

> already includes many of these Make sure you turn them on though! Firefox by default doesn't block canvas fingerprinting, that's a setting you need to enable in `about:config` under the `privacy.resistFingerprinting` section.

Instead of resisting fingerprinting and suffering captcha everywhere, can't FF feed false data into the fingerprinting "sensors" so that it will change every time ?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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I've been treated with endless Google Captchas with that setting, and they get very difficult with each passing day, never mind the time-sink.

Google captcha works by uniquely identifying you. The easier Google can track you the easier your captcha. That's why it's nearly impossible to solve captcha with resistfingerprint on (ie tor mode)

That seems illegal in some places if true. The premise is that it proves we are not robots, and that's all.
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