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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Firefox already includes many of these, some of those plugins are redundant or unnecessary.

> already includes many of these Make sure you turn them on though! Firefox by default doesn't block canvas fingerprinting, that's a setting you need to enable in `about:config` under the `privacy.resistFingerprinting` section.

I've been treated with endless Google Captchas with that setting, and they get very difficult with each passing day, never mind the time-sink.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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I still don't use an ad blocker. I know all the arguments for ad blocking and I agree with many of them. I know what difference it makes in terms of performance and annoyance. But I just can't bring myself to indiscriminately block all ads, knowing how important they are as a funding source for the websites I use. There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment.

> There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment. I disagree with this. Maybe you can elaborate? If I am paying for a service then there is no incentive to mine my personal data for revenue. It's a mutually beneficial transaction. And there are plenty of ways to hide your personal information (even your name) when paying for something (e.g. using a service like privacy.co…

I assume the meaning is that if you pay a site, they know exactly who you are; not just a cookie ID, but an actual credit card transaction with a real name attached.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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> very high maintenance Reading this, I was actually surprised to find that for some reason or other this has gotten a lot better for me during the 2+ years I've been using uMatrix. At first it's rather annoying to enable CDNs and stuff for the sites you frequent, but mostly I've started noticing that the sites that break for basically no good reason are the ones that a sane person probably shouldn't visit anyway. So…

I love uMatrix. It removes all annoyances like customer support popups, chat bots, basically anything other than the main domain. It is high maintainance, only if you visit many new sites every day. For a single site/domain, set it once and go. There are built in 'recipes' allowing YT embeds, twitter embeds, google capthas if a site wants it. Once you globally whitelist CDN's (cloudflare and others), it's enough. For…

Oh, people are globally allowing CDNs? This has been a major thorn in my side running uBlock Origin on "medium mode" (block all third-party scripts and frames) for years now, but I figured globally allowing CDNs—or almost any sites, for that matter—was defeating the purpose of uBO medium mode, which is to protect you from unknown tracking scripts, or even worse, objectively malicious unknown scripts. (I say "unknown" as opposed to "known by way of already being on one of the many filter lists".)

I should try globally allowing the CDNs as you suggest and see how it feels. At that point, though, I wonder how much I'll be blocking that won't already be blocked via the blocking lists.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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My friend who works in an adtech company: "Protip: Use Firefox instead of Chrome. We get very little data from Firefox users"

I've gone back and forth between Firefox and Chrome. It's just that Firefox is noticeably slower than Chrome (or at least was about a year ago). Even simply switching between open tabs around what feels like 0.5 seconds , whereas on Chrome, tab switching is instantaneous. I've run Firefox in multi-process mode (since that was an option), but even with it, in general it seems like Firefox gets noticeably slower than C…

Firefox is notably slower on many Google properties. Usually because they send you a crappier interface if you aren't using Chrome.

Try one of the many browser extensions that spoof Chrome useragent. For me it makes a big difference on Google search results and Youtube

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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post #175

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Anecdotal, but I've pushed close friends who are reasonably technical to install an ad blocker. Without my urging, they wouldn't have had one at all. When I come across someone who doesn't adblock, it surprises me, but it really shouldn't, as it seems most people don't have an ad blocker.

I still don't use an ad blocker. I know all the arguments for ad blocking and I agree with many of them. I know what difference it makes in terms of performance and annoyance. But I just can't bring myself to indiscriminately block all ads, knowing how important they are as a funding source for the websites I use. There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment.

With Adblockers you can selectively block add blocking on sites you want to see adds on. This way you can choose where to block adds and where not to.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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post #173

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Hi! We at Mozilla certainly don't see that! I'm at 815 tabs in this window alone and switching is instantaneous. Did you happen to file a bug report about this atypical behavior?

FWIW, Firefox is slower for me on certain pages. I keep Chrome installed for things like Google Docs. For example, in the word processor, it tries to save the document every few keystrokes and Firefox will hang for 5-10 seconds whereas on Chrome it's so fast it isn't noticeable.

try spoofing Chrome user agent with an extension. Google is becoming 90's Microsoft and knowingly degrading user experience on non-Chrome browsers

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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post #175

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Anecdotal, but I've pushed close friends who are reasonably technical to install an ad blocker. Without my urging, they wouldn't have had one at all. When I come across someone who doesn't adblock, it surprises me, but it really shouldn't, as it seems most people don't have an ad blocker.

I still don't use an ad blocker. I know all the arguments for ad blocking and I agree with many of them. I know what difference it makes in terms of performance and annoyance. But I just can't bring myself to indiscriminately block all ads, knowing how important they are as a funding source for the websites I use. There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment.

I also don't use an ad blocker. I don't mind ads (for the most part), and I like that they support the content that I use.

I try to minimize ad problems by using containers and profiles. I have a Facebook-only container and Google-only container and never login to either in any other container. So far this approach seems to work for me.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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> fortunately at some places multiple developers used uBlock so it wasn't as hard as making the case alone. Is adblocking not common? Every tech literate person I know uses an ad blocker. I'd say about 30-40% of millennials I know use them, most using ADB or uBlock Origin. Every time I see someone using a browser with ads I forget what a nightmare the internet is.

Anecdotal, but I've pushed close friends who are reasonably technical to install an ad blocker. Without my urging, they wouldn't have had one at all. When I come across someone who doesn't adblock, it surprises me, but it really shouldn't, as it seems most people don't have an ad blocker.

I wish we could block targeted ads, and just those. I know that almost all ads are targeted today, since they're oh-so-much more effective (according to ad network operators). At least, we should make a distinction wrt targeted ads vs content-based ads in discussions on HN.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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I hear that. The latest update to kde / plasma5 changed something enough that it took me 4 logins before I got a task manager. Dealing with these these super disruptive / breaking kde changes only a few times a year are why I run the stable packages rather than the -current packages. I think I'm just going to give up and switch to lxde

Not to be too much of an old-fart, but I gave up on kde after they moved away from 3.5. I've tried every major release since 4 came out and I keep not liking it. I do really enjoy some of the apps, but I'm fully in the i3 camp for several years now.

Did you ever try https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ ?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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> already includes many of these Make sure you turn them on though! Firefox by default doesn't block canvas fingerprinting, that's a setting you need to enable in `about:config` under the `privacy.resistFingerprinting` section.

Why aren't they on by default? What's the downside?

Google bullies you with Captchas if you have `privacy.resistFingerprinting` on.
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