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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by megous »

megous wrote: post #90
mitchdoogle wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people think Firefox doesn't work? I've noticed zero difference between using Firefox and Chrome and I've used both daily for five years or so.

They didn't manage to fix developer tools for like last 5-7 releases (despite multiple reports of it being broken). Network tab still messes up/merges unrelated requests together, and style editor shows completely garbage content every other reload, like this (probably related issue to the request confusion): https://megous.com/dl/tmp/33d9622c7e53e3bc.png https://megous.com/dl/tmp/8b3e50856a913236.png I still use it…

One wonders if it's just devtools or if the whole browser is leaking random data everywhere. It certainly doesn't inspire confidence.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by cletusw »

ysavir wrote: post #12
tarkin2 wrote: post #2

I understand: cookies are deleted every 24 hours unless you’ve visited the site before in the last 45 days. Does this mean if I visit a site twice the cookie stays but otherwise it’s gone in 24 hours?

I think it means that 3rd party cookies will be deleted in 24 hours unless you visited the site of origin in the last 45 days. So if you get a 3rd party cookie from www.marketingsite.com, but never visited that site, it will be deleted in 24 hours. But if you get a 3rd party cookie from facebook, and you're a semi-active facebook user, the cookie will be kept.

Thank you! I wasn't quite getting the 3rd party cookie vs. actual site visit distinction from their post.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by dwighttk »

jackson1442 wrote: post #82
gen220 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, there are only subtle differences. I use Chrome for work (golden browser for our web apps) and FF personally. Google maps has never worked well for me on FF. The "old"/basic interface for Gmail works fine, but the new one was noticeably slower. It doesn't seem exclusive to Google, however. Many PWA sites (including bank websites!) have, from time to time, inexplicably failed to load certain elements on FF, wh…

I’ve personally found that the new gmail interface is simply awful on every browser, just a little less awful on Chrome.

Gmail IMAP interface is fine

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#104

Post by mancerayder »

I'm happy to see stuff like this.

I'd be even happier if the tricks to get video to play were somehow canceled.

I have adblocker and video blockers, but somehow, news sites have a video that plays. If I scroll off the page, the video pops out into the lower right hand of the page and resumes playing, even if the big version of the video at the top of the page was stopped /paused (which it is by default), and it needs to be stopped again. On mobile (Android) this is a double nightmare, even in Firefox, because the little video has a tiny little X, and somehow my finger doesn't ever hit X the first time. I can plug in a USB-A connector in the right way faster than I can press that little X.

Is there an explanation for this, and am I the only one?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by subhro »

onyva wrote: post #105

The only browser we can trust today. Glad to see they’re making privacy online a priority, on top of an already amazing browser I use regularly and exclusively both on Linux and iOS.

Honest question, what's wrong with Safari, that you can not trust it?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by mataug »

input_sh wrote: post #77
svnpenn wrote: post #55

> Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0; blocking redirect trackers by default Isnt that what is used with Google Search? For example if you go here: https://www.google.com/search?q=sunday the first result appears to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday but its really: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

More details here[0], but in short, they'll "block them" by deleting cookies and site data of redirect trackers every 24h, preventing long term profile building, while not breaking the redirects. There's also a "Google search link fix" recommended extension that fixes those URLs (replaces https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c... to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday in your example). Also ava…

Deleting redirect cookies is a wonderful step forward in improving privacy.

I'm now concerned that companies would attempt to circumvent this by profiling users via fingerprinting through canvas, screen resolution, user agent and other means.

I wonder how such profiling can be minimized / eliminated ?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by [deleted] »

gruez wrote: post #75
ainar-g wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. You might like the CookieAutoDelete plugin[1]. It's a recommended plugin which allows you to set a list of domains and domain patterns which retain their cookies while others are deleted. I've been using it for a couple of months now, and I love it. [1] https://addo…

CookieAutoDelete has some fatal flaws. It doesn't delete indexeddb, for instance. Also, if you're a tab hoarder it simply doesn't work for the common sites you visit. Temporary containers[1] is a much better option, as it uses firefox's container tabs to provide much tighter isolation. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con...

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by tome »

mancerayder wrote: post #104

I'm happy to see stuff like this. I'd be even happier if the tricks to get video to play were somehow canceled. I have adblocker and video blockers, but somehow, news sites have a video that plays. If I scroll off the page, the video pops out into the lower right hand of the page and resumes playing, even if the big version of the video at the top of the page was stopped /paused (which it is by default), and it needs…

Isn't the small video in the corner a feature actually implemented in Firefox itself (picture-in-picture) and nothing to do with the web page? If so then that seems doubly bad!

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by UI_at_80x24 »

drewg123 wrote: post #28
UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #22

I've been a user since they first split from Netscape. Very happy to see continued efforts in this project. Congrats folks! I'm glad you exist. Related: I don't know if this applies to other platforms, but the newest version of FireFox on FreeBSD (79.0,1) generates errors on every website you visit stating insufficient security. (including google & mozilla.org) This is somehow related to not having a virus scanner in…

I'm running the same version of Firefox on FreeBSD (firefox-79.0,1) and I don't see this (with http2=true). I'm running 13-current (r363668) and using the 12-stable quarterly packages (FreeBSD:12:amd64/quarterly)

I'm running 12.1-RELEASE-p5 [quarterly], so that's interesting. We should be overlapping somewhat.

I inclined to believe that it's just my luck. You need somebody to find edge-case bugs? I'm your stooge.

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