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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#91
post #23

I keep encouraging people to use Firefox over the others. My efforts keep failing. Mozilla’s focus on privacy is important and should be to others. People have been burned in the past and are willing to give up privacy for something that just works. The irony.

Do people think Firefox doesn't work? I've noticed zero difference between using Firefox and Chrome and I've used both daily for five years or so.

Im unable to book flights with local airlines via firefox because the payment popup gets blocked with no warning. Sure, I can figure out whats going on and use a different browser, but it's terrible UX.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#93
post #55

> Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0; blocking redirect trackers by default Isnt that what is used with Google Search? For example if you go here: https://www.google.com/search?q=sunday the first result appears to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday but its really: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

More details here[0], but in short, they'll "block them" by deleting cookies and site data of redirect trackers every 24h, preventing long term profile building, while not breaking the redirects. There's also a "Google search link fix" recommended extension that fixes those URLs (replaces https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c... to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday in your example). Also ava…

Those fixes still have to resolve the url.

The best fix is using duck.com and getting off Google search.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#94
post #3

I'm waiting for it to get so good that it becomes effective at removing the ads Mozilla added to the new tab page.

Firefox > Preferences > Home > New Windows and Tabs (very first option!) > Homepage and New Windows, New Tabs > Blank Page I like that Firefox Home is the default option because you as the user are offered something. If you don't like it, you say no, go to the settings page, and are never offered it again. If you do like it or don't mind it, you keep it. Win-win. If Firefox Home wasn't on by default, those that might…

The default option should be "show options", letting you choose with one click between Blank, Mozilla Ads, Your Recent/Favorite Pages, and a custom URL or set of URLs.

There are 6 levels to your process above. Imagine being tech-illiterate and asked to navigate that - or, maybe easier, imagine trying to dictate that process to someone you know who is tech-illiterate over the phone. Even if you know exactly what to do, it might go something like this:

> "You saw an ad you don't like on a new tab of The Internet? OK, what you need to do to fix that is set the New Tab preference to Blank. Click the Firefox menu - no, it doesn't have the familiar File/Edit/Help menu bar, it uses a hamburger menu - the stack of three horizontal lines - in the top right. Something about a library? No, that's supposed to be a bookshelf icon, it has vertical lines, you want the horizontal lines to its right. The menu went away? Make sure to single-click the menu, not double-click. Look in that menu for something named Settings ... not Customize, no, that's kind of like settings but different, oh yeah, it was called Preferences. In Preferences, look for the Home section ... shouldn't have to scroll, it's in the menu to the left ... yeah, that's a menu, it's just separated by whitespace instead of a line. On the Home preferences screen, there's a drop-down box for New Tabs, click that dropdown and set it to Blank. Great, you're all set. Talk to you later. Bye!" Ring - "Hey again - it didn't work? You closed and reopened Firefox and the ads were still there? Oh, right, that gives you a new window, not a new tab. Let's go back through the menus one more time, it was just above the New Tabs dropdown, yeah, we were just there. Click the three horizontal lines for the Firefox menu...."

It's disingenuous to say that those who prefer the ads might not know what they're missing, even more disingenuous to say "you're offered something". No, with ad tech, the user is the product being offered to the advertisers, and I expect that more people don't know how to turn it off or that turning it off is a thing you can do than that like being advertised to.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#95
post #24

This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. Not to mention Firefox is usually brought to its knees when trying to delete large segments of History/Cookies at once.

> This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. You might like the CookieAutoDelete plugin[1]. It's a recommended plugin which allows you to set a list of domains and domain patterns which retain their cookies while others are deleted. I've been using it for a couple of months now, and I love it. [1] https://addo…

Or "Temporary Containers" which is the same as Cookie Autodelete but for all cached data instead of just cookies.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con...

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people think Firefox doesn't work? I've noticed zero difference between using Firefox and Chrome and I've used both daily for five years or so.

Im unable to book flights with local airlines via firefox because the payment popup gets blocked with no warning. Sure, I can figure out whats going on and use a different browser, but it's terrible UX.

Not even the tiny little box in the right side of the address bar that says a popup was blocked? I've seen blocked pop-ups there before, but never heard of or seen Firefox block a pop-up with absolutely no feedback.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More details here[0], but in short, they'll "block them" by deleting cookies and site data of redirect trackers every 24h, preventing long term profile building, while not breaking the redirects. There's also a "Google search link fix" recommended extension that fixes those URLs (replaces https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c... to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday in your example). Also ava…

Those fixes still have to resolve the url. The best fix is using duck.com and getting off Google search.

Isn't is possible to resolve the URL locally? It looks like it's just part of the redirect URL in the example given above

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#98
post #66
post #23

I keep encouraging people to use Firefox over the others. My efforts keep failing. Mozilla’s focus on privacy is important and should be to others. People have been burned in the past and are willing to give up privacy for something that just works. The irony.

I use umatrix to block stuff and a side effect is that EVERYTHING is much faster. Some sites routinely load hundreds of items from dozens of third-party servers, so this shouldn't be surprising.

Agreed, also I was surprised to see how much website still work while blocking all the third party scripts.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#100
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you add an exception for the site? It seems like a slightly inconsistent position that you don't mind them earning affiliate money yet you're actively blocking them from doing so.

it seems the objection is to unearned affiliate revenue (for any purchases at amazon for some period just for visiting wirecutter), not earned affiliate revenue (by clicking on a product you intend to buy), which is consistent and fair.

From what the OP said I don't think that's the case. They're specifically talking about clicking on links not working.
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