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Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by bwoodruff »

spideymans wrote: post #238
moooo99 wrote: post #227

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Why the hate for electron? I know that there are a bunch of shitty electron apps out there, but there are also great, fast and leightweight examples. Visual Studio Code is easily one of the best desktop apps I've used (on Windows) and Discord is also built on electron and works very well. Electron isn't necessarily bad, its primarly a matter of how good your implementation is.

1. Performance 2. It encourages developers to ignore platform-specific design idioms and features.

Have you found either of those applies to 1Password for Linux? If so we'd very much like to hear about it. Thanks! - Ben, 1Password

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Post by bwoodruff »

ubermonkey wrote: post #284
moooo99 wrote: post #227

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Why the hate for electron? I know that there are a bunch of shitty electron apps out there, but there are also great, fast and leightweight examples. Visual Studio Code is easily one of the best desktop apps I've used (on Windows) and Discord is also built on electron and works very well. Electron isn't necessarily bad, its primarly a matter of how good your implementation is.

>Why the hate for electron? Because it's terrible. It's slow and ponderous. I have yet to use something built on it that wasn't awful, and that INCLUDES VSCode.

Have you tried 1Password for Linux? - Ben, 1Password

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Post by bwoodruff »

harikb wrote: post #195
pjmlp wrote: post #187

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Embedded in an Electron app, otherwise please correct me what toolkit they are using.

Yeah it sounds like Electron with React/JS UI talking to a Rust "backend". I would give them credit for keeping the important bits in Rust though

Thank you! This is correct. We understand there are concerns about Electron (some legitimate and some religious), and we've built this app with those concerns in mind. The backend is Rust, with the arguably most critical components (encryption) being open source libraries (ring). - Ben, 1Password

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Post by WillPostForFood »

trevor-e wrote: post #295
_b8r0 wrote: post #206

I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't. I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised…

Yep, super annoying for me as well. I paid $60 which I feel is quite a lot for a password manager. When I built my new computer the other weekend I found everything on 1Password's site was subscription-walled, I finally found a download via a hidden Google backlink. But, of course, since I don't have a subscription it's now in read-only mode... feels really scummy of them.

The downloads for older versions aren't hidden. They are at the bottom of the respective OS download pages:

https://1password.com/downloads/mac/

https://1password.com/downloads/windows/

I still use 1Password 6 with Dropbox to sync. Works great. If you have a license, you may have the wrong (new) version, or just need to activate it.

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Post by bredren »

DavideNL wrote: post #298
bredren wrote: post #297

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I also considered a move but I may just get the subscription. If Apple offered a more fully featured keychain I might just stay in their ecosystem.

€36 a year, so for a period of 5 years that makes €180. For me and my partner that would be €360 for 5 years! For a password manager... I also considered using KeepassXC and Strongbox on iOS, which is completely free (sync the database via iCloud.) KeepassXC's browser extensions are pretty bad though, hopefully that will change sometime soon. If you want to keep costs low, Bitwarden is currently your best option i th…

That pricing seems high until I consider the utility and importance of the tool.

I do think it should cost less, but I also sort of am hoping a solid solution built directly into iOS/macOS will appear in the next few years.

It is a much harder sell to a family member that has never bothered with a secrets manager before.

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Post by ValentineC »

bredren wrote: post #297
DavideNL wrote: post #235

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I'm still using the permanent license...and syncing over iCloud, while using the latest versions of the 1Password app, on macOS & iOS. As soon as this stops working and i'm forced to get a subscription i'm moving to another password manager though. So hopefully one time purchases will remain possible.

I also considered a move but I may just get the subscription. If Apple offered a more fully featured keychain I might just stay in their ecosystem.

> If Apple offered a more fully featured keychain I might just stay in their ecosystem.

Given Apple's track record, if you care about your passwords being portable, it's unlikely that you'll be able to use their keychain on Windows/Linux/Android even if they develop it further.

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Post by jchw »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #265
karlshea wrote: post #193

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That’s where Agilebits has me; the UI on Mac and iOS is so much better than the alternatives. I do keep looking, Keepass XC looks really good since the last time I checked around.

KeepassXC is quite good if you mainly use it on your computer. I've been using Keepass(XC) for about 10 years, it's secure and reliable. But I'm looking to switch to 1password or Bitwarden as I'm increasingly using portable devices (phone, tablet…).

If you do end up leaving Keepass, Bitwarden has been a good experience for me. I can’t attest much about security but it seems OK from my perspective.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by trevor-e »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #304
trevor-e wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, super annoying for me as well. I paid $60 which I feel is quite a lot for a password manager. When I built my new computer the other weekend I found everything on 1Password's site was subscription-walled, I finally found a download via a hidden Google backlink. But, of course, since I don't have a subscription it's now in read-only mode... feels really scummy of them.

The downloads for older versions aren't hidden. They are at the bottom of the respective OS download pages: https://1password.com/downloads/mac/ https://1password.com/downloads/windows/ I still use 1Password 6 with Dropbox to sync. Works great. If you have a license, you may have the wrong (new) version, or just need to activate it.

Oh wow, this actually helped me fix it. I had to downgrade to 1Password4 for Windows (no mention my license only works with that version), and after that I was able to enter my old license key.

By hidden I meant the downloads page is only linked in the footer. All of the main 'Get Started' and 'Try Free for 30 Days' links funnel you into their subscription process. I thought signing into my account might help, but then realized I'm not able to do so in a 'legacy' account because I don't have a secret key.

What a confusing and hostile user experience to 'legacy' license purchasers. It's like they are trying to forget that we ever existed.

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Post by kingosticks »

tikiman163 wrote: post #279
_b8r0 wrote: post #206

I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't. I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised…

You should consider LastPass. They've had considerably fewer security breaches than KeePass and is accessible either using a local app or from any modern browser regardless of OS. It even has a smart phone app, although the phone app requires a subscription.

The Firefox extension is bit hit and miss, the exporting function has been broken for years (no points for guessing why that might be). I am not that happy with it and I do not recommend it. I used to pay for the access to their Android app but that became a free feature ages ago; shortly after the company changed hands, I think. The premium subscription basically gives you some online storage and better support but I don't think those features are worth the subscription cost and so I downgraded to the free tier.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by bwoodruff »

rootusrootus wrote: post #65
dteare wrote: post #14

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I'm no Roustem but I'm close. :) You're right, 1Password for Linux integrates tightly with the 1password.com service and as such does not support local vaults.

This is what I like about HN, interesting people drop by from time to time to visit. I have been a happy 1Password customer for years, but I am in the market for a change now. I really wish 1Password had an iOS client that didn't require 17+ permissions.

We're not thrilled about the 17+ requirement either and are evaluating our options there. Thanks! - Ben, 1Password
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