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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#31
post #23

I keep encouraging people to use Firefox over the others. My efforts keep failing. Mozilla’s focus on privacy is important and should be to others. People have been burned in the past and are willing to give up privacy for something that just works. The irony.

Do people think Firefox doesn't work? I've noticed zero difference between using Firefox and Chrome and I've used both daily for five years or so.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#32
post #24

This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. Not to mention Firefox is usually brought to its knees when trying to delete large segments of History/Cookies at once.

> This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. You might like the CookieAutoDelete plugin[1]. It's a recommended plugin which allows you to set a list of domains and domain patterns which retain their cookies while others are deleted. I've been using it for a couple of months now, and I love it. [1] https://addo…

I’ve been using it for a similar time period and it’s great for reading paywalled articles.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#33
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with parent though, Firefox should just ship with uBlock Origin installed. I think putting privacy features in the hands of a third-party prevents some poor choices being made due to several conflicts of interest browser vendors have.

Luckily, Mozilla is a non-profit organization. Their interests do not conflict with protecting their users. But it makes you wonder, if other browser vendors' interests do conflict with ad blocking, why would they ship with uBlock Origin? They would want to control what most people do by controlling the defaults. The vast majority of users never change the default settings.

> Luckily, Mozilla is a non-profit organization. Their interests do not conflict with protecting their users.

What? Do interests of Amazon conflict with AWS protecting their users, because both sides profit from the relationship?

uBlock (and other add-ons) clean cookies everywhere and can do it consistently and is a better choice for anyone who uses more than one browser because you set it consistently across all browsers and you're done.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#34
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with parent though, Firefox should just ship with uBlock Origin installed. I think putting privacy features in the hands of a third-party prevents some poor choices being made due to several conflicts of interest browser vendors have.

Luckily, Mozilla is a non-profit organization. Their interests do not conflict with protecting their users. But it makes you wonder, if other browser vendors' interests do conflict with ad blocking, why would they ship with uBlock Origin? They would want to control what most people do by controlling the defaults. The vast majority of users never change the default settings.

Mozilla is a non-profit that owns a for-profit corporation which makes Firefox. And their funding largely comes from Google paying them to keep Google as the default search.

There's not a mission-level conflict-of-interest, but there's a practical one. Until they can somehow be funded directly by users, Firefox will have this tension of "don't piss off Google or other referral partners, even if that means going against the users' interests". They won't serve the users well by losing all their funding and then dying.

This situation is why Firefox and Mozilla aren't just everything they could be in terms of completely aligned with users.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#35
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with parent though, Firefox should just ship with uBlock Origin installed. I think putting privacy features in the hands of a third-party prevents some poor choices being made due to several conflicts of interest browser vendors have.

Luckily, Mozilla is a non-profit organization. Their interests do not conflict with protecting their users. But it makes you wonder, if other browser vendors' interests do conflict with ad blocking, why would they ship with uBlock Origin? They would want to control what most people do by controlling the defaults. The vast majority of users never change the default settings.

It's worth noting that while Mozilla is a nonprofit organization, it certainly retains a huge conflict of interest: It's primary financial sponsor is still Google.

If Firefox was solely aligned with protecting their users, the default search would be DuckDuckGo, not Google, and it would fully block Google Analytics, Fonts, and AdSense right out of the box.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#36
post #23

I keep encouraging people to use Firefox over the others. My efforts keep failing. Mozilla’s focus on privacy is important and should be to others. People have been burned in the past and are willing to give up privacy for something that just works. The irony.

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but since we're doing more and more things over screenshare these days, I've noticed that all my peers are starting to use Firefox. I like to think it's because they've seen me use it when I'm sharing my screen.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#37
post #24

This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. Not to mention Firefox is usually brought to its knees when trying to delete large segments of History/Cookies at once.

> This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. You might like the CookieAutoDelete plugin[1]. It's a recommended plugin which allows you to set a list of domains and domain patterns which retain their cookies while others are deleted. I've been using it for a couple of months now, and I love it. [1] https://addo…

There is a newer extension called CookieBro that is much better than CookieAutoDelete. Not only does it have more options for dealing with cookies, CookieAutoDelete often would leave some cookies alive.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#38
post #23

I keep encouraging people to use Firefox over the others. My efforts keep failing. Mozilla’s focus on privacy is important and should be to others. People have been burned in the past and are willing to give up privacy for something that just works. The irony.

Do people think Firefox doesn't work? I've noticed zero difference between using Firefox and Chrome and I've used both daily for five years or so.

Google has an incredible walled garden of apps and things that 'just' work together seamlessly. I remember switching from FF to Chrome years ago as Chrome was measurably faster. The staying power was using Google's entire suite of apps with Chrome. Things like copying and pasting without formatting or searching for strings all contribute to stickiness.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#39

This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. Not to mention Firefox is usually brought to its knees when trying to delete large segments of History/Cookies at once.

What cookies are you trying to get rid of? Why are they a big deal?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

#40
post #27

It all seems pretty pointless when every tracker tracks you by IP address and the only real way to defeat this is to use Tor, which BTW is blocked on an ever-growing list of sites.

Hmm, is there anyway to configure tor to reduce the number of hops in order to improve performance? It seems like multihop Tor is overkill for this use case. Wouldn't solve the problem with sites blocking Tor I guess.
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