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Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by lghh »

mapgrep wrote: post #278
_b8r0 wrote: post #206

I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't. I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised…

This comment is like a canonical example of why a company would choose not to develop for Linux. 1Password puts real resources and risk into supporting a platform that may not pay off, but it’s Not Good Enough for much of the community because: -The client is not open source -the backend is not open source -it’s not “a first class citizen” right away (the Windows port is by all accounts improving) I’m not trying to p…

I think it's fair to say users of different platforms have different needs and if a product doesn't fit that need they won't use it. I don't see any problem with that at all.

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Post by abbub »

makach wrote: post #256
lmedinas wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same issue for me, having online vaults was the killer for me. Also the subscription made me really think if the service was worth it after all, specially after buying the apps they are asking me more money. I moved to Keepass (and opensource apps) and im fairly happy with it. I dont think i will go back to 1Password.

A program worth using is worth buying

How many times do I have to buy the same software, though?

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Post by bwoodruff »

bithaze wrote: post #204
karlshea wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's made with proper craftsmanship and care on the Mac (which is primarily where I've been using it for years). The Windows client is much better after the last major release, but it's never been as slick as the Mac version (the biggest wart now is the system tray/browser extension popup). 1Password X looks nice until you try and use it, and all the company reps on the forums are very argumentative about any feature…

> all the company reps on the forums are very argumentative about any feature request I've observed this as well and it's frustrating. Usability took a dive when the list view for entries was removed (in favor of the rich icon, column-based layout), having to manually check identically named entries to find one with the right username, but their support staff was seriously adamant about the feature not being worth th…

I apologize that we've come across that way. I'm one of the primary contributors on our forum and so I do appreciate the perspective here. The position I try to take, not being a developer or project manager myself, is that I have no power to make feature requests happen other than suggesting them to the team. As such I try to help people best use what is currently available while also passing suggestions along.

As a company we tend to keep future plans pretty close to the chest. There are sometimes things that we know we aren't going to do, and whenever possible I try to be up front about that rather than beating around the bush or giving false hope. List view is one example of this. The intention isn't to be argumentative, but rather to set expectations based on current plans.

- Ben, 1Password

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by 013a »

mapgrep wrote: post #278
_b8r0 wrote: post #206

I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't. I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised…

This comment is like a canonical example of why a company would choose not to develop for Linux. 1Password puts real resources and risk into supporting a platform that may not pay off, but it’s Not Good Enough for much of the community because: -The client is not open source -the backend is not open source -it’s not “a first class citizen” right away (the Windows port is by all accounts improving) I’m not trying to p…

Developing for every platform has unique properties. Every platform has its own native UI toolkits and look-and-feel; try to release an Electron app, and people complain. Write a great iOS app, but no iPad port, or be a couple months late with support for The Notch, people complain.

Linux's main difference is that, with so few users, when their priorities are disrespected by Big Corporate, the populace sides with Big Corporate. Rather ironic; most of the priorities Linux users have are motivated by respecting the user's privacy, security, and freedom. It seems likely to me that its a thought process similar to why much of the downtrodden American middle-class sides with Republicans, despite rarely having their best interests in mind.

I use 1Password, and it's fine. But these complaints are legitimate. This is a closed-source security facing application from a company that has raised at-least $200,000,000, which at one time charged a large amount of up-front money ($60+) for their product, used dark patterns to drive customers to their subscription-based closed-source cloud product, then left the original users in the dust. AgileBits should have no-ones good will, and even as a 1Password user, I support anyone who uses this forum to discuss their move to alternatives.

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Post by trevor-e »

_b8r0 wrote: post #206

I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't. I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised…

Yep, super annoying for me as well. I paid $60 which I feel is quite a lot for a password manager. When I built my new computer the other weekend I found everything on 1Password's site was subscription-walled, I finally found a download via a hidden Google backlink. But, of course, since I don't have a subscription it's now in read-only mode... feels really scummy of them.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by noisy_boy »

Thorentis wrote: post #59

KeepassXC is the perfect solution in my opinion. It is open source, has a huge number of features (that don't get in the way of basic usage), and has mobile apps and desktop apps that work well on all platforms. Right now I am using it on Windows, Mac, AND Linux, as well as my Android phone. I have it syncing over Dropbox, but you can sync it however you like. The Android app automatically fetches the latest version,…

Doing the same using Syncthing for syncing. For basic password management across devices without having to go to "cloud", I don't see a better alternative. The new polished UI for KeepassXC on Linux is a bonus.

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Post by bredren »

DavideNL wrote: post #235
bredren wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also a longtime user. Did you kick over to their subscription model or have you stuck with the old installs attached to the grandfathered permanent license?

I'm still using the permanent license...and syncing over iCloud, while using the latest versions of the 1Password app, on macOS & iOS. As soon as this stops working and i'm forced to get a subscription i'm moving to another password manager though. So hopefully one time purchases will remain possible.

I also considered a move but I may just get the subscription.

If Apple offered a more fully featured keychain I might just stay in their ecosystem.

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Post by DavideNL »

bredren wrote: post #297
DavideNL wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still using the permanent license...and syncing over iCloud, while using the latest versions of the 1Password app, on macOS & iOS. As soon as this stops working and i'm forced to get a subscription i'm moving to another password manager though. So hopefully one time purchases will remain possible.

I also considered a move but I may just get the subscription. If Apple offered a more fully featured keychain I might just stay in their ecosystem.

€36 a year, so for a period of 5 years that makes €180. For me and my partner that would be €360 for 5 years! For a password manager...

I also considered using KeepassXC and Strongbox on iOS, which is completely free (sync the database via iCloud.) KeepassXC's browser extensions are pretty bad though, hopefully that will change sometime soon.

If you want to keep costs low, Bitwarden is currently your best option i think.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by bwoodruff »

bwoodruff wrote: post #140
mkskm wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s one of those apps which has been made with proper craftsmanship and care Is it? I've been using it for sometime as well but it seems like there is a lot of room for improvement. E.g: - Support for unlocking via Watch ID on the Mac. - Currently on iOS when searching for a password within an app, if a site prefix is included that doesn't match what's in 1Password the list will just show no results, with no way t…

Thanks for the feedback! We can unlock 1Password for Mac via Apple Watch on Macs that have Secure Enclaves now. :) - Ben, 1Password

Just to clarify: the feature is currently in beta. > Unlock 1Password using your Apple Watch on Macs with a Secure Enclave. From the 1Password for Mac 7.7.BETA-0 release notes. - Ben, 1Password

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by dastx »

igravious wrote: post #45
dastx wrote: post #2

Ooh boy. This is amazing. The horrible Linux support they had was the reason I left 1Password. This might make me go back to 1Password.

Don't they have browser plugins? That's how use Lastpass on Ubuntu. I mean, besides Electron apps, who actually makes native Linux apps? (joking, not joking)

Yes. Though it was slow (slower than other extension based password managers), but worse, it was missing some of the features. I can't remember exactly what it was, but at one point I tried to edit something, but there was no way for me to add something. Though I've forgotten now, it felt quite a critical think to have at the time.
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