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Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by nuker »

awinder wrote: post #13
baal80spam wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use KeePass on Windows and it is definitely capable of that and much, much more (see Plugins page). I can't imagine paying for an application when a better one is available for free.

I’m a recent windows 10 convert from Mac and a 1password user for years, I have disagreements with my buddy who is a long time windows user along these lines _all_ the time. He thinks I’m insane for essentially paying for UI I prefer (I would disagree I think there’s some structural differences, but I’m okay with being reduced to that too). It’s like asking why someone buys anything, the products exist and sell and m…

> I’m a recent windows 10 convert from Mac

What happened, if not too sensitive to share, of course.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by distances »

curt15 wrote: post #274
benhurmarcel wrote: post #265

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KeepassXC is quite good if you mainly use it on your computer. I've been using Keepass(XC) for about 10 years, it's secure and reliable. But I'm looking to switch to 1password or Bitwarden as I'm increasingly using portable devices (phone, tablet…).

Keepass2Android works pretty well for me. You can sync your password database via google drive or other file sharing services.

Seconded, Keepass2Android is great and has very good integration on Android. You can use the autofill feature to, well, autofill the credentials fields in any app.

Has merge functionality if you've edited the password file both on mobile and computer.

It even has an offline variant that keeps everything local. I'm using that with NextCloud.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by ubermonkey »

mapgrep wrote: post #278
_b8r0 wrote: post #206

I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't. I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised…

This comment is like a canonical example of why a company would choose not to develop for Linux. 1Password puts real resources and risk into supporting a platform that may not pay off, but it’s Not Good Enough for much of the community because: -The client is not open source -the backend is not open source -it’s not “a first class citizen” right away (the Windows port is by all accounts improving) I’m not trying to p…

Well, maybe. I'm not a Linux desktop person, though, and I'm just as hacked off about 1P's shift to a hosted service, and their poor treatment of the Windows client.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by ubermonkey »

moooo99 wrote: post #227
pjmlp wrote: post #178

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Apparently that craftsmanship went astray with the adoption of Electron.

Why the hate for electron? I know that there are a bunch of shitty electron apps out there, but there are also great, fast and leightweight examples. Visual Studio Code is easily one of the best desktop apps I've used (on Windows) and Discord is also built on electron and works very well. Electron isn't necessarily bad, its primarly a matter of how good your implementation is.

>Why the hate for electron?

Because it's terrible. It's slow and ponderous. I have yet to use something built on it that wasn't awful, and that INCLUDES VSCode.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by signal11 »

sascha_sl wrote: post #267
DavideNL wrote: post #232

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I tested Bitwarden for a while and found it was lacking features compared to 1Password. Until a few weeks back they didn't even have a "Trash", delete an item and it was gone forever. Exporting 1Password to Bitwarden was a complete mess, attachments in items were not imported at all/deleted (you don't get a warning of this.) Bitwarden is okay, but compared to 1Password they have a long way to go in my opinion.

It depends. 1Password lacks some things I'd really want (like configurable matching, having everything on a subdomain that's not on the public prefix list match is cumbersome). The Windows client is also extremely laggy and doesn't use Windows Hello half the time. 1Password X, which is almost a must-use on Windows, also has desyncing issues. So I guess if you don't mind the above and are on macOS, it's better.

As a 1Password for Windows user, I can't say I ever experienced lag with Chrome or Firefox. I don't use Hello though, so can't speak to that.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by iovrthoughtthis »

mapgrep wrote: post #278
_b8r0 wrote: post #206

I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't. I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised…

This comment is like a canonical example of why a company would choose not to develop for Linux. 1Password puts real resources and risk into supporting a platform that may not pay off, but it’s Not Good Enough for much of the community because: -The client is not open source -the backend is not open source -it’s not “a first class citizen” right away (the Windows port is by all accounts improving) I’m not trying to p…

Do you not think that poor Linux support is a result of low users numbers rather than the communities requirements?

MacOS has higher barriers to entry than Linux if you want to be on their stores, these do not seem to be an issue for people to overcome.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by sascha_sl »

signal11 wrote: post #285
sascha_sl wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends. 1Password lacks some things I'd really want (like configurable matching, having everything on a subdomain that's not on the public prefix list match is cumbersome). The Windows client is also extremely laggy and doesn't use Windows Hello half the time. 1Password X, which is almost a must-use on Windows, also has desyncing issues. So I guess if you don't mind the above and are on macOS, it's better.

As a 1Password for Windows user, I can't say I ever experienced lag with Chrome or Firefox. I don't use Hello though, so can't speak to that.

With 1Password or 1Password X? 1Password X is good for autofill, but it's delegating management to the website which isn't very good a lot of times.

1Password proper however... using it in 2 Windows machines and both ignored the shortcut to open it at least once today.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by def_true_false »

tikiman163 wrote: post #279
_b8r0 wrote: post #206

I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't. I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised…

You should consider LastPass. They've had considerably fewer security breaches than KeePass and is accessible either using a local app or from any modern browser regardless of OS. It even has a smart phone app, although the phone app requires a subscription.

LastPass has a history of breaches and idiotic design choices, e.g. https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=12...

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by tw04 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #197
ketralnis wrote: post #78

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I'm in the same boat as the sibling: I'm about to move off of 1password because there's no Linux client. I'm a regular licence user, not a subscription user, and I will never buy a subscription from you but I've been happily paying to upgrade every time you release an upgrade to the regular software. It seems that this is signalling your commitment to stop supporting users like me, and that's very disappointing.

* I will never buy a subscription from you but I've been happily paying to upgrade every time you release an upgrade to the regular software.* So you are a subscriber in reality, it's just your payments a slightly lumpy.

A subscription implies you lose access to the software when you stop paying the subscription.

Buying a license implies you own it and are entitled to use it indefinitely. You might not get any updates but you also aren’t losing access to what you already paid for. Very, very big difference.

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